<p dir="ltr">Philippe, </p>
<p dir="ltr">That is a useful document. Thanks! Do you know where I can find the schedules that are referenced in the table? (A, B, C, etc) </p>
<p dir="ltr">Thanks again, </p>
<p dir="ltr">Karen </p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 14, 2014 4:37 PM, "Hudon, Philippe" <<a href="mailto:phudon@bpa.ca">phudon@bpa.ca</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">In Canada’s norms, there are this table as reference for the plug loads.
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<b>De la part de</b> Nick Caton<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> 13 février 2014 16:36<br>
<b>À :</b> Duggin, Cory; David Eldridge; <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Leed eac1 Plug loads<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">This matches my experience as well for plug loads.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I would only plan to itemize plug loads for LEED documentation if attempting to document an energy saving measure above and beyond 90.1 pertaining
to receptacle loads (such as plug load circuit controls required by the upcoming title 24).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">ASHRAE recommends 0.75 W/ft2 for office building receptacle power density in the user’s manual for 90.1-2007 (for when you don’t have better data
to found the inputs on). 10W/m2 is approximately 0.93W/ft2 (if my math is right), so that’s certainly within a reasonable range of expectations.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I do not anticipate you will have any issues. I’ve regularly documented exactly the value per the user’s manual citing that as the source in my
documentation with no further comment.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Duggin, Cory<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Eldridge; <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Leed eac1 Plug loads<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’ve never had to provide an itemized list for equipment loads after simply telling them the receptacle loads were modeled as designed per space
type.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Eldridge<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Leed eac1 Plug loads<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">At lower than 25% levels GBCI likely will ask for an itemized list to show that you’ve considered all of the potential contributors. In addition
to Fred’s list, add elevators if these aren’t separately modeled. Water coolers. Anything that shows up with a connection in the electrical plans.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">David<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">David S. Eldridge, Jr., P.E., LEED AP BD+C, BEMP, BEAP, HBDP<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Fred Betz<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chris Yates; <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Leed eac1 Plug loads<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Chris,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The plug loads are the plug loads. The 25% is just a guidance value from USGBC/GBCI. I’ve been over and under this level numerous times without
a problem. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">If you’ve used the load estimated by the mechanical and/or electrical engineers and apply an appropriate schedule then it should be good enough.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">When you’re under the 25% threshold a text box will appear for you to explain why. Just state that you’ve modeled the plug loads as designed.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">10 W/m2 sounds a little low for an office. If the owner has made a commitment to use Energy Star devices or laptops for everyone, then 10 W/m2
is plausible. Don’t forget to include other equipment like servers/IT equipment, copiers and kitchen equipment (microwave, coffee maker, etc.)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Fred<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Chris Yates [<a href="mailto:chris.malcolm.yates@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:chris.malcolm.yates@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 13, 2014 2:28 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Bldg-sim] Leed eac1 Plug loads<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US">Dear bldg sim'rs <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">I'm a little concerned that the plug loads I've modelled in my offices are low and could leed to some unwanted usgbc comments.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">I'm meeting the 25% requirement but the peak load in the offices is 10w/m2. Whilst i dont think this is overly optimistic the reviewers may think otherwise. Has anybody had experience of plug loads being queried in detail?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">Many thanks<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">Chris<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">Sent from my Android device. Please excuse typos, etc.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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