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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hello Hussein,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I agree with Nick. You should have the same number of zones in both models. And at Atelier Ten, we don’t use any automatic compliance generators in eQuest.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Good luck,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Shanta Tucker<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">T (212) 254-4500 x 210<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nick Caton<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hussein Abaza<br>
<b>Cc:</b> bldg-sim<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] LEED base design<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">90.1 requires the baseline to
<u>match</u> the proposed model (I normally match exactly, but some variance may be acceptable, as described). The proposed model should be
<u>representative</u> of the actual design (I practice matching exactly again, but Appendix G & the 90.1 Users Manual allow for and contextually encourage some flexibility in “representation”). I do not understand fully whether your models are following the
standards.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I gather your proposed model was specified with 40 zones and a 10 zone baseline was generated… I also assume plenums are not central to this difference since
you’re still asking after my first reply… If those speculations are correct, I would personally go back to building a baseline directly from the proposed model as the compliance feature does not sound like it’s behaving for you.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Apologies, but I need to shift my focus away from the lists today – terribly busy actually. Please address any further queries to the whole list if needed!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">~Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Hussein Abaza
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 22, 2012 10:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nick Caton<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] LEED base design<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#000099">Thank you so much , Nick, for your answer. The LEED compliance gerated enough zones to satisfy ASHDAE 90.1, 2007 ( 10 zones). but the actual design has much more zones ( 40 zones).
the question is: will the 10 zones model is considered the base design for LEED or should I use the 40 zone mode with ASHARE 90.1 minimum insulation, HVAC efficiency etc applied to it as the base design. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#000099">Thank you again<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">"Nick Caton" <</span><a href="mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">ncaton@smithboucher.com</span></a><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">><br>
<b>To: </b>"Hussein Abaza" <</span><a href="mailto:ahussein@spsu.edu"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">ahussein@spsu.edu</span></a><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">>, "bldg-sim" <</span><a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">><br>
<b>Cc: </b></span><a href="mailto:bldg-sim@onebuilding.org"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">bldg-sim@onebuilding.org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:10:39 AM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [Bldg-sim] LEED base design<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi there,</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">0.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I continue to generally advise against relying on the eQuest LEED compliance features at present. This feature can be useful for one’s workflow, but only for the sum of
modelers willing to carefully review the corresponding guidance that comes with eQuest 3.64.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">1.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Strict reading of 90.1 language is the models should match. If you’re getting at plenum zones however, it could be moot/appropriate for the models to differ in consideration
of the system types and their respective return air path behavior.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">2.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I haven’t yet) observed completely wrong constructions generated by the compliance feature myself, but can assert my past LEED reviewers have permitted some variance from
what’s required/implied for baseline constructions in 90.1. I feel two competent modelers can come up with different ‘correct’ interpretations for the same baseline construction. That said, see point 0. I would manually revise constructions for compliance.
If they really are way off, it could be productive to share your findings with members of the DOE2 development team (findable through the list archives).</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Adding to point 0.: Your “should I manually change…” query suggests you may not realize the compliance features of eQuest do not purport to do all work associated
with a baseline model. Review the associated guidelines carefully! Help > Tutorials and Reference > LEED Analysis</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Hussein Abaza<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:29 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> bldg-sim <br>
<b>Cc:</b> </span><a href="mailto:bldg-sim@onebuilding.org"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">bldg-sim@onebuilding.org</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] LEED base design</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#000099">Basic LEED questions. I am using the Compliance analysis in eQuest o generate the base design and my questions are<br>
1- Does the base design has to have the same number of zones as the actual design ( the compliance analysis is generating less zones).<br>
2- The compliance analysis generated R values much higher than what ASHRAE 90.1-2007 calls for. should I manually change them
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Any help will be greatly appreciated<br>
Thank you</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">"Jason Glazer" <</span><a href="mailto:jglazer@gard.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">jglazer@gard.com</span></a><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">><br>
<b>To: </b></span><a href="mailto:bldg-sim@onebuilding.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">bldg-sim@onebuilding.org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Sunday, May 20, 2012 4:59:25 PM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Bldg-sim] SPC209 Energy Simulation Aided Design Meeting in San Antonio<br>
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ASHRAE SPC 209 Energy Simulation Aided Design for Buildings <br>
Except Low-Rise Residential Buildings will be having our <br>
first meeting during the upcoming San Antonio ASHRAE conference:<br>
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San Antonio<br>
Tuesday June 26 8:00am - Noon<br>
Convention Center at River Level Room 006B<br>
<br>
For easy access to meetings in 006 follow signs to <br>
convention center down escalator past the Hyatt restaurant <br>
and enter the convention center, rooms are straight down the <br>
hallway.<br>
<br>
Jason<br>
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