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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Francesco,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Yes, you’d have to export the geometry from sketchup into a format that radiance can read such as .3ds.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">One concern is that the TRNSYS model won’t have all the internal geometry that Radiance expects such as light shelves, etc. Adjusting geometry within Radiance
is very complex as its all based on editing a text file. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Therefore, create a separate copy of your TRNSYS Sketchup model, and then add any objects that have an effect on lighting (trees, other buildings, etc. ). Then
export to .3ds so that can be imported into Radiance. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Good luck.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> francesco.passerini@inwind.it [mailto:francesco.passerini@inwind.it]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:10 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Fred Betz; bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> R: RE: [Bldg-sim] TRNSYS: LIGHTING<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">Hello Fred<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">Thank you for your message.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">Do you use the same geometrical model for TRNSYS and Radiance, e.g. a model created with Google SketchUp?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">Best Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">Francesco Passerini<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">----Messaggio originale----<br>
Da: <a href="mailto:fbetz@aeieng.com">fbetz@aeieng.com</a><br>
Data: 01/05/2012 16.27<br>
A: "<a href="mailto:francesco.passerini@inwind.it">francesco.passerini@inwind.it</a>"<<a href="mailto:francesco.passerini@inwind.it">francesco.passerini@inwind.it</a>>, "<a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>"<<a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>
Ogg: RE: [Bldg-sim] TRNSYS: LIGHTING<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Francesco,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I don’t believe TRNSYS can model daylighting, but I would email the TRNSYS list to be sure,
<a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a>. </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">What we do is model the daylighting using Radiance/Daysim, and then integrate those results into
TRNSYS by adjusting the artificial lighting schedule. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In general it is difficult to model ASHRAE 90.1 system types in TRNSYS, but doable. Also, I would
discourage you from modeling more than 20-30 zones as it gets cumbersome in TRNSYS.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We typically use TRNSYS to design complex systems, and then adjust other software such as eQuest
to match for compliance modeling. Sometimes an exceptional calculation is required when the changes are just too much for eQuest.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Our experience is that model reviewers don’t understand TRNSYS as it doesn’t provide “canned” reports
like TRACE or eQuest that are familiar to them. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Good luck.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#333333">PhD., LEED AP
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AFFILIATED ENGINEERS, INC. <br>
5802 Research Park Blvd. | Madison, WI 53719<br>
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</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#660000">P: 608.236.1175 | F: 608.238.2614</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#333333"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#660000"><a href="mailto:fbetz@aeieng.com"><span style="color:#660000;text-decoration:none">fbetz@aeieng.com</span></a> |
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:francesco.passerini@inwind.it">francesco.passerini@inwind.it</a> [<a href="mailto:francesco.passerini@inwind.it">mailto:francesco.passerini@inwind.it</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 30, 2012 11:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Bldg-sim] TRNSYS: LIGHTING</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB">Hello.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB">I attended a course about TRNSYS v.17 and probably my research group will buy it. Our idea is to use TRNSYS for simulations according to ASHRAE 90.1 annex G (LEED
certification refers to that method).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB">Can TRNSYS v.17 calculate the internal illuminance? It would be useful to model lighting control systems, e.g. if the artificial lighting is switched off when
solar lighting provides a determined level of </span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">internal illuminance (</span><span lang="EN-GB">lux).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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