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<p>If you are thinking about how accurate an energy model may or may not be, there has been quite a bit of work done by the ASHRAE Standard 140 over the last 20 years, including: empirical, comparative and analytical models of the building envelope, air side
systems. Standard 140 is a standard method of test for simulation that is used by others to see if the algorithms inside the program are performing correctly. The IEA and others have tests as well, which include side-by-side test boxes.</p>
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<div>it is already a pretty large building. I assume most people are like me ... really occupied. A small thing can be smached in between, but not something that might take me 6 to 8 hours to analyse and model. Should we not look for something smaller? A might
be able to get some data on a passive house in Belgium. Something less than 200 m2, measured during over a year.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 9:47 PM, Jeremiah Crossett <span dir="ltr">
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I have two office buildings with data, including energy star portfolio manager data, and actual utility meeter data. Also I have architectural data on them. For the one I have three years data on, the other only one year. See the attached for the one with
the best data and let me know if one of these works..<br>
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<div class="h5">On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 11:00 AM, RobertWichert <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:robert@wichert.org" target="_blank">robert@wichert.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">Now THAT would be a better test than I envisioned, Jon. I was just thinking of comparing models, NOT comparing them to a real building. Sounds like fun though!
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Mr Wichert: And the next question would be , “Where do we find such an existing bldg. with real demand and energy data set already available?.” I would
assume that many such exist, but I , for one, would not know how to begin to identify one. Maybe the folks at NREL or LNBL have access to such data, and maybe one from there could kindly respond to your request?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, of course. I was thinking of a non-residential one-story wood frame, steel studs, or concrete block building with one or two windows per side and a cathedral ceiling on a poured slab. A basement would be OK too, but not really necessary.
Either no zoning at all or a core for toilets/break rooms and open plan office all around.<br>
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I mean REALLY simple.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Mr Wichert: Although I like your idea of head-to-head modeling, I think it would only be real useful if one could start with a “simple” bldg. for wahich
there was existing good quality energy and demand data set. That way, one could not only have “precision “ but also some baseline of “accuracy”.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I like you idea, but to start small and simple would be key for me, so as not to commit a large amount of time.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Thanks for your suggestion.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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