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Yes, good idea, Jeff. "Ease of use" isn't in there, but then, I
guess that's not always important.<br>
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Do you know of any papers that compare EQuest to EnergyPro to
EnergyPlus to DOE-2 to TRACE-700 to anything else using ASHRAE 140?<br>
<br>
Maybe the publishers of these models have done the ASHRAE 140 work
and would allow us to see it, but "Ease of Use" is not on their
list!<br>
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On 1/23/2012 3:13 PM, Jeff Haberl wrote:
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<p>If you are thinking about how accurate an energy model may or
may not be, there has been quite a bit of work done by the
ASHRAE Standard 140 over the last 20 years, including:
empirical, comparative and analytical models of the building
envelope, air side systems. Standard 140 is a standard method
of test for simulation that is used by others to see if the
algorithms inside the program are performing correctly. The
IEA and others have tests as well, which include side-by-side
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<div>Jeremiah,</div>
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<div>it is already a pretty large building. I assume most
people are like me ... really occupied. A small thing can
be smached in between, but not something that might take
me 6 to 8 hours to analyse and model. Should we not look
for something smaller? A might be able to get some data on
a passive house in Belgium. Something less than 200 m2,
measured during over a year.</div>
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I have two office buildings with data, including energy
star portfolio manager data, and actual utility meeter
data. Also I have architectural data on them. For the
one I have three years data on, the other only one year.
See the attached for the one with the best data and
let me know if one of these works..<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">Now THAT would be a
better test than I envisioned, Jon. I was
just thinking of comparing models, NOT
comparing them to a real building. Sounds
like fun though!
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On 1/21/2012 9:15 AM, Jon Broadway wrote:
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style="FONT-FAMILY:
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#1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Mr Wichert:
And the next question would be ,
“Where do we find such an existing
bldg. with real demand and energy
data set already available?.” I
would assume that many such exist, but
I , for one, would not know how to
begin to identify one. Maybe the
folks at NREL or LNBL have access to
such data, and maybe one from there
could kindly respond to your request?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, of course. I
was thinking of a non-residential
one-story wood frame, steel studs, or
concrete block building with one or two
windows per side and a cathedral ceiling
on a poured slab. A basement would be
OK too, but not really necessary.
Either no zoning at all or a core for
toilets/break rooms and open plan office
all around.<br>
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I mean REALLY simple.<br>
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Wichert: Although I like your idea
of head-to-head modeling, I think
it would only be real useful if
one could start with a “simple”
bldg. for wahich there was
existing good quality energy and
demand data set. That way, one
could not only have “precision “
but also some baseline of
“accuracy”.</span></p>
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style="FONT-FAMILY:
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you idea, but to start small and
simple would be key for me, so as
not to commit a large amount of
time.</span></p>
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