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I'm up for it. Jeremiah is up for it. Anybody with Trace up for
it? I only have EnergyPro.<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP
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On 1/20/2012 12:02 AM, Jeremiah Crossett wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAC92OQX9WLjfMrQOSuQzS8M-4h7JiHsmbv9LVJ+6UaJkdFn_kA@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Though I do not retract my statement with regards to
energy plus and open studio, I do agree that eQUEST is a great
starting point.
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<div>I tend to use both, (eQUEST for preliminary, then Energy
Plus, then crossrefrence my Energy Plus model output with the
eQUEST run) but started with Energy Plus because I wanted to be
able to model more then just thermal and electrical energy
systems such as, green roofs, solar electric, solar thermal,
vertical & horizontal wind turbines and have been recently
been modeling phase change materials. At first it was a bit
intimidating, but I got a feel for it pretty fast and now do not
find the IDF editor to be a difficult of an interface for input
data, and google sketch up can be used for the geometry and
thermal zones. </div>
<div>The exciting thing about energy plus is the open source tools
available from NREL's Open studio project. </div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://openstudio.nrel.gov/"
target="_blank">http://openstudio.nrel.gov/</a>
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<div>And the new "Simergy" interface being realised by Laurence
Berkley in April.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://eetd.lbl.gov/bt/simergy/key.html" target="_blank">http://eetd.lbl.gov/bt/simergy/key.html</a> </div>
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<div>Bently havacomp has a new interface as well <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.bentley.com/en-US/Products/Hevacomp+Dynamic+Simulation/"
target="_blank">http://www.bentley.com/en-US/Products/Hevacomp+Dynamic+Simulation/</a></div>
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<div>And then there is design builder: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.designbuilder.co.uk/content/view/29/44/"
target="_blank">http://www.designbuilder.co.uk/content/view/29/44/</a></div>
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<div>To me it makes more since to start with the latest and most
powerful software, that is being funded by the USDOE and is
updated every 6 months. eQUEST is great, but in the long run
Energy Plus is a more valuable skill set in my opinion. Also
there are more features, and you can do interesting things with
the output...</div>
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<div>A good example of something that is (from my understanding)
not possible with eQUEST my current research for phase change
materials, is visualized in this model of the generic phase
change materiel from an example file, as compared to a baseline
building..( currently working on the new version with bioPCM
product data.).<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://docs.google.com/a/setnrgh2o.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Angnu5sp0FF9dFB6RlNYSkZyMW5MUTd0cmNxZGhpbnc&hl=en_US#gid=28">https://docs.google.com/a/setnrgh2o.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Angnu5sp0FF9dFB6RlNYSkZyMW5MUTd0cmNxZGhpbnc&hl=en_US#gid=28</a>
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<div>To Robert <span>I am very interested in dueling software</span>!
I also have a small factory that I have yet to do the simulation
for with drop box full of details we could use in the duel !
Please let me know if you want to as it sounds fun:)</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Alex
Krickx <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:akrickx@seriousenergy.com" target="_blank">akrickx@seriousenergy.com</a>></span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Hi
Alex,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">There’s
been a lot of good feedback on these lists. I think
a question to keep in mind while picking a modeling
software is: what is your target building and target
output?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">You
mention envelope performance – I’ve used some
fenestration (window) specific modeling tools in the
past when the building type is appropriate and the
level of detail needed is not as high as to require
a full eQUEST/EnergyPlus model.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Comfen
and Resfen developed by LBNL are great tool for
commercial and residential analyses of fenestration
impacts. I’m sure there are very many other tools
that focus on components of a building. That may be
an option for you as well. </span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">From
one Alex to another, if I had to pick one, my vote
would be for eQUEST as an accessible modeling
environment with a great user-base (this list-serv
and the archives) as well as many people teaching
eQUEST classes across the country.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Cheers,</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Alex
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leonard Sciarra<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:21 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Building envelope</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Speaking
from an architects perspective and admittedly
novice energy simulator, Equest was pretty easy
to access, and after going to one of the Equest
courses, that made it even more useful. Alex,
however, your tag line indicated you are
involved in houses, so in that case Equest may
not be appropriate, unless they are large
multi-family types.</span></p>
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target="_blank">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris Flood<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 18, 2012
11:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org"
target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> mark dewsbury<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Building
envelope</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Alex,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would agree with Cheney
here. The wizards available in eQuest will allow
you to create and simulate typical buildings and
various scenarios relatively quickly and easily
and with a good level of confidence. The
documentation which accompanies the eQuest
download contains very useful reference and
guidance documentation.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Good luck.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Chris<br>
<br>
On 2012-01-18, at 9:20 PM, Cheney <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:chenyu73@gmail.com"
target="_blank">chenyu73@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I do not think it is a good
idea for a beginner to start with Energy Plus.
Bear in mind, it is not so user friendly. Even
a senior energy modeler may not be able to
grasp it easily. Equest is
more strait-forward to my mind. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Comic Sans
MS"">Regards, </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Comic Sans
MS"">Cheney</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Comic Sans
MS"">LinkedIN @ </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/yu-cheney-chen/27/637/72b"
target="_blank"><span
style="font-family:"Comic Sans
MS"">http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/yu-cheney-chen/27/637/72b</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Comic Sans
MS""> </span></p>
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at
9:13 PM, Jeremiah Crossett <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jeremiah@setnrgh2o.com"
target="_blank">jeremiah@setnrgh2o.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">My advise to Alex is to
start with Energy Plus, as it has the most
development put into it and the mose
capabilities.</p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Also Open studio has
some great information as to where to
start. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://openstudio.nrel.gov/"
target="_blank">http://openstudio.nrel.gov/</a> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jan 18,
2012 at 8:50 PM, mark dewsbury
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Mark.Dewsbury@utas.edu.au"
target="_blank">Mark.Dewsbury@utas.edu.au</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy"
lang="EN-AU">Dear All,</span><span
lang="EN-AU"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">
<span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy"
lang="EN-AU">The paper from
referred to by Alex is no
6-7 years old. There has
been a lot of movement in
building simulation since
then. </span><span
lang="EN-AU"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy"
lang="EN-AU">Has anyone
published formally or
informally anything since
2005? </span><span
lang="EN-AU"></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy"
lang="EN-AU"> </span><span
lang="EN-AU"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy"
lang="EN-AU">Thanks</span><span
lang="EN-AU"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy"
lang="EN-AU">Mark Dewsbury
(PhD)<br>
<br>
Residential Thermal
Performance Research <br>
School of Architecture
& Design<br>
University of Tasmania<br>
Locked Bag 1324<br>
Launceston 7250<br>
Ph: 03 6324 4471<br>
mob: 0417 290 807<br>
fax: 03 6324 4088<br>
</span><span
style="color:navy"
lang="EN-AU">e: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mark.dewsbury@utas.edu.au"
title="blocked::mailto:mark.dewsbury@utas.edu.au" target="_blank">mark.dewsbury@utas.edu.au</a></span><span
lang="EN-AU"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:navy"
lang="EN-AU">Dr Mark
Dewsbury is currently a
member of the Nationwide
House Energy Rating Scheme
Technical Advisory
Committee (NatHERS TAC) </span><span
lang="EN-AU"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
leen peeters [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:l.f.r.peeters@gmail.com"
target="_blank">l.f.r.peeters@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 19
January 2012 7:35 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Alex Colta<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org"
target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[Bldg-sim] Building
envelope</span><span
lang="EN-AU"></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-AU"> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-AU">Hi Alex,</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-AU"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-AU">welcome
to the world of nerds
;-)</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-AU"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-AU">There is
an intersting document
to start with:</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-AU"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/tools_directory/pdfs/contrasting_the_capabilities_of_building_energy_performance_simulation_programs_v1.0.pdf"
target="_blank">http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/tools_directory/pdfs/contrasting_the_capabilities_of_building_energy_performance_simulation_programs_v1.0.pdf</a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-AU"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-AU"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-AU">That will
probably get you a
nice intro. If you are
into the maths and
equations, check out
Joe Clarke's book on
building simulation.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-AU">Also Jan
Hensen recently
published one on
building simulation.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-AU"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-AU">Good luck
and welcome!</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-AU"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">
<span lang="EN-AU">Leen</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-AU">On Wed,
Jan 18, 2012 at 9:14
PM, Alex Colta <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:alex.colta@rtsbuildingenvelope.com"
target="_blank">alex.colta@rtsbuildingenvelope.com</a>>
wrote:</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Good
afternoon <br>
<br>
My name is Alex, and
I'm new to building
simulation world ,
and i saw you have
many simulation
software , <br>
<br>
<strong><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">1.from
my understanding
the most used
ones are eQuest
and Trace 700,
is it true ?,</span></strong><br>
<strong><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
what the
difference
between these
two, </span></strong><br>
<br>
<strong><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">2.i
would like to
simulate more
building
envelope, what
software suit
more for that ?</span></strong><br>
<br>
Thank you very much
for your support
and help <br>
<br>
with best regard <br>
<span
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