Though I do not retract my statement with regards to energy plus and open studio, I do agree that eQUEST is a great starting point. <div><br></div><div>I tend to use both, (eQUEST for preliminary, then Energy Plus, then crossrefrence my Energy Plus model output with the eQUEST run) but started with Energy Plus because I wanted to be able to model more then just thermal and electrical energy systems such as, green roofs, solar electric, solar thermal, vertical & horizontal wind turbines and have been recently been modeling phase change materials. At first it was a bit intimidating, but I got a feel for it pretty fast and now do not find the IDF editor to be a difficult of an interface for input data, and google sketch up can be used for the geometry and thermal zones. </div>
<div>The exciting thing about energy plus is the open source tools available from NREL's Open studio project. </div><div><a href="http://openstudio.nrel.gov/" target="_blank">http://openstudio.nrel.gov/</a>
</div><div><br></div><div>And the new "Simergy" interface being realised by Laurence Berkley in April.<a href="http://eetd.lbl.gov/bt/simergy/key.html" target="_blank">http://eetd.lbl.gov/bt/simergy/key.html</a> </div>
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</div><div>Bently havacomp has a new interface as well <a href="http://www.bentley.com/en-US/Products/Hevacomp+Dynamic+Simulation/" target="_blank">http://www.bentley.com/en-US/Products/Hevacomp+Dynamic+Simulation/</a></div>
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<div>And then there is design builder: <a href="http://www.designbuilder.co.uk/content/view/29/44/" target="_blank">http://www.designbuilder.co.uk/content/view/29/44/</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>To me it makes more since to start with the latest and most powerful software, that is being funded by the USDOE and is updated every 6 months. eQUEST is great, but in the long run Energy Plus is a more valuable skill set in my opinion. Also there are more features, and you can do interesting things with the output...</div>
<div><br></div><div>A good example of something that is (from my understanding) not possible with eQUEST my current research for phase change materials, is visualized in this model of the generic phase change materiel from an example file, as compared to a baseline building..( currently working on the new version with bioPCM product data.).<a href="https://docs.google.com/a/setnrgh2o.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Angnu5sp0FF9dFB6RlNYSkZyMW5MUTd0cmNxZGhpbnc&hl=en_US#gid=28">https://docs.google.com/a/setnrgh2o.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Angnu5sp0FF9dFB6RlNYSkZyMW5MUTd0cmNxZGhpbnc&hl=en_US#gid=28</a>
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<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>To Robert <span>I am very interested in dueling software</span>! I also have a small factory that I have yet to do the simulation for with drop box full of details we could use in the duel ! Please let me know if you want to as it sounds fun:)</div>
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<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Alex Krickx <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:akrickx@seriousenergy.com" target="_blank">akrickx@seriousenergy.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="white" lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Hi Alex,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">There’s been a lot of good feedback on these lists. I think a question to keep in mind while picking a modeling software is: what is your target building and target output?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">You mention envelope performance – I’ve used some fenestration (window) specific modeling tools in the past when the building type is appropriate and the level of detail needed is not as high as to require a full eQUEST/EnergyPlus model.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Comfen and Resfen developed by LBNL are great tool for commercial and residential analyses of fenestration impacts. I’m sure there are very many other tools that focus on components of a building. That may be an option for you as well. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">From one Alex to another, if I had to pick one, my vote would be for eQUEST as an accessible modeling environment with a great user-base (this list-serv and the archives) as well as many people teaching eQUEST classes across the country.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Leonard Sciarra<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:21 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a></span></p><div><div><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Building envelope<u></u><u></u></div>
</div><p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Speaking from an architects perspective and admittedly novice energy simulator, Equest was pretty easy to access, and after going to one of the Equest courses, that made it even more useful. Alex, however, your tag line indicated you are involved in houses, so in that case Equest may not be appropriate, unless they are large multi-family types.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris Flood<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:38 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> mark dewsbury<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Building envelope<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Alex,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I would agree with Cheney here. The wizards available in eQuest will allow you to create and simulate typical buildings and various scenarios relatively quickly and easily and with a good level of confidence. The documentation which accompanies the eQuest download contains very useful reference and guidance documentation.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Good luck.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Chris<br><br>On 2012-01-18, at 9:20 PM, Cheney <<a href="mailto:chenyu73@gmail.com" target="_blank">chenyu73@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">I do not think it is a good idea for a beginner to start with Energy Plus. Bear in mind, it is not so user friendly. Even a senior energy modeler may not be able to grasp it easily. Equest is more strait-forward to my mind. <u></u><u></u></p>
<div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Regards, </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Cheney</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">LinkedIN @ </span><a href="http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/yu-cheney-chen/27/637/72b" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/yu-cheney-chen/27/637/72b</span></a><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:13 PM, Jeremiah Crossett <<a href="mailto:jeremiah@setnrgh2o.com" target="_blank">jeremiah@setnrgh2o.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">My advise to Alex is to start with Energy Plus, as it has the most development put into it and the mose capabilities.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Also Open studio has some great information as to where to start. <a href="http://openstudio.nrel.gov/" target="_blank">http://openstudio.nrel.gov/</a> <u></u><u></u></p>
<div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 8:50 PM, mark dewsbury <<a href="mailto:Mark.Dewsbury@utas.edu.au" target="_blank">Mark.Dewsbury@utas.edu.au</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy">Dear All,</span><span lang="EN-AU"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy">The paper from referred to by Alex is no 6-7 years old. There has been a lot of movement in building simulation since then. </span><span lang="EN-AU"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy">Has anyone published formally or informally anything since 2005? </span><span lang="EN-AU"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy"> </span><span lang="EN-AU"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy">Thanks</span><span lang="EN-AU"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy">Mark Dewsbury (PhD)<br><br>Residential Thermal Performance Research <br>School of Architecture & Design<br>
University of Tasmania<br>Locked Bag 1324<br>Launceston 7250<br>Ph: 03 6324 4471<br>mob: 0417 290 807<br>fax: 03 6324 4088<br></span><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:navy">e: <a href="mailto:mark.dewsbury@utas.edu.au" title="blocked::mailto:mark.dewsbury@utas.edu.au" target="_blank">mark.dewsbury@utas.edu.au</a></span><span lang="EN-AU"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:navy">Dr Mark Dewsbury is currently a member of the Nationwide House Energy Rating Scheme Technical Advisory Committee (NatHERS TAC) </span><span lang="EN-AU"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> leen peeters [mailto:<a href="mailto:l.f.r.peeters@gmail.com" target="_blank">l.f.r.peeters@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 19 January 2012 7:35 AM<br><b>To:</b> Alex Colta<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Building envelope</span><span lang="EN-AU"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Hi Alex,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">welcome to the world of nerds ;-)<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">There is an intersting document to start with:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"><a href="http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/tools_directory/pdfs/contrasting_the_capabilities_of_building_energy_performance_simulation_programs_v1.0.pdf" target="_blank">http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/tools_directory/pdfs/contrasting_the_capabilities_of_building_energy_performance_simulation_programs_v1.0.pdf</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">That will probably get you a nice intro. If you are into the maths and equations, check out Joe Clarke's book on building simulation.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Also Jan Hensen recently published one on building simulation.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Good luck and welcome!<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">
<span lang="EN-AU">Leen<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Alex Colta <<a href="mailto:alex.colta@rtsbuildingenvelope.com" target="_blank">alex.colta@rtsbuildingenvelope.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Good afternoon <br><br>My name is Alex, and I'm new to building simulation world , and i saw you have many simulation software , <br><br><strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">1.from my understanding the most used ones are eQuest and Trace 700, is it true ?,</span></strong><br>
<strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> what the difference between these two, </span></strong><br><br><strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">2.i would like to simulate more building envelope, what software suit more for that ?</span></strong><br>
<br>Thank you very much for your support and help <br><br>with best regard <br><span style="color:#888888"><br>Alex</span><span lang="EN-AU"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">
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