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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear Robert,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>That’s basically what is done by ASHRAE Standard 140, I think. Modeling an “easy” building is not the problem, though. Modeling a “messy” building is the challenge and I am not sure, but doubt that a good comparison could be made since most of the energy analysis software does not allow close scrutiny of detailed results.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The Building Performance Team<br></span></b><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>James V. Dirkes II, P.E., BEMP , LEED AP<br></span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>1631 Acacia Drive NW<br>Grand Rapids, MI 49504<br>616 450 8653<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>RobertWichert<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 19, 2012 9:26 AM<br><b>To:</b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Building envelope<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Is anybody interested in dueling software? My idea (and I'm sure it's been done before)...<br><br>We define an easy building and everybody models it in whatever they own and we compare the results.<br><br>Sound like fun?<br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>+1 916 966 9060<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>FAX +1 916 966 9068<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>===============================================<o:p></o:p></pre><p class=MsoNormal><br>On 1/18/2012 9:38 PM, Chris Flood wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Alex,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I would agree with Cheney here. The wizards available in eQuest will allow you to create and simulate typical buildings and various scenarios relatively quickly and easily and with a good level of confidence. The documentation which accompanies the eQuest download contains very useful reference and guidance documentation.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Good luck.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Chris<br><br>On 2012-01-18, at 9:20 PM, Cheney <<a href="mailto:chenyu73@gmail.com">chenyu73@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>I do not think it is a good idea for a beginner to start with Energy Plus. Bear in mind, it is not so user friendly. Even a senior energy modeler may not be able to grasp it easily. Equest is more strait-forward to my mind. <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Regards, </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Cheney</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>LinkedIN @ </span><a href="http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/yu-cheney-chen/27/637/72b" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/yu-cheney-chen/27/637/72b</span></a><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:13 PM, Jeremiah Crossett <<a href="mailto:jeremiah@setnrgh2o.com">jeremiah@setnrgh2o.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>My advise to Alex is to start with Energy Plus, as it has the most development put into it and the mose capabilities. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Also Open studio has some great information as to where to start. <a href="http://openstudio.nrel.gov/" target="_blank">http://openstudio.nrel.gov/</a> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 8:50 PM, mark dewsbury <<a href="mailto:Mark.Dewsbury@utas.edu.au" target="_blank">Mark.Dewsbury@utas.edu.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Dear All,</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>The paper from referred to by Alex is no 6-7 years old. There has been a lot of movement in building simulation since then. </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Has anyone published formally or informally anything since 2005? </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Thanks</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Mark Dewsbury (PhD)<br><br>Residential Thermal Performance Research <br>School of Architecture & Design<br>University of Tasmania<br>Locked Bag 1324<br>Launceston 7250<br>Ph: 03 6324 4471<br>mob: 0417 290 807<br>fax: 03 6324 4088<br></span><span lang=EN-AU style='color:navy'>e: <a href="mailto:mark.dewsbury@utas.edu.au" target="_blank" title="blocked::mailto:mark.dewsbury@utas.edu.au">mark.dewsbury@utas.edu.au</a></span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='color:navy'>Dr Mark Dewsbury is currently a member of the Nationwide House Energy Rating Scheme Technical Advisory Committee (NatHERS TAC) </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Times New
","serif"'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> leen peeters [mailto:<a href="mailto:l.f.r.peeters@gmail.com" target="_blank">l.f.r.peeters@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 19 January 2012 7:35 AM<br><b>To:</b> Alex Colta<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Building envelope</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-family:"Times
","serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU>Hi Alex,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU>welcome to the world of nerds ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU>There is an intersting document to start with:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU><a href="http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/tools_directory/pdfs/contrasting_the_capabilities_of_building_energy_performance_simulation_programs_v1.0.pdf" target="_blank">http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/tools_directory/pdfs/contrasting_the_capabilities_of_building_energy_performance_simulation_programs_v1.0.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU>That will probably get you a nice intro. If you are into the maths and equations, check out Joe Clarke's book on building simulation.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU>Also Jan Hensen recently published one on building simulation.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU>Good luck and welcome!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-AU>Leen<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU>On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Alex Colta <<a href="mailto:alex.colta@rtsbuildingenvelope.com" target="_blank">alex.colta@rtsbuildingenvelope.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Good afternoon <br><br>My name is Alex, and I'm new to building simulation world , and i saw you have many simulation software , <br><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>1.from my understanding the most used ones are eQuest and Trace 700, is it true ?,</span></strong><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> what the difference between these two, </span></strong><br><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>2.i would like to simulate more building envelope, what software suit more for that ?</span></strong><br><br>Thank you very much for your support and help <br><br>with best regard <br><span style='color:#888888'><br>Alex</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-AU><br>_______________________________________________<br>Bldg-sim mailing list<br><a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org" target="_blank">http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org</a><br>To unsubscribe from this mailing list send a blank message to <a href="mailto:BLDG-SIM-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG" target="_blank">BLDG-SIM-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-family:"Times
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