<div>Thank you all, that confirms my understanding.</div>
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<div>RK.<br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Jim Dirkes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jim@buildingperformanceteam.com">jim@buildingperformanceteam.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Makes sense (and gets me thinking a bit differently, which is also good.) Thanks!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Steven Savich [mailto:<a href="mailto:ssavich@systemswestengineers.com" target="_blank">ssavich@systemswestengineers.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 01, 2011 1:35 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Jim Dirkes'; 'Bldg-Sim'<br><b>Cc:</b> 'Nick Caton'
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<div class="h5"><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Bldg-sim] ASHRAE 90.1 Baseline LPD and occupancy sensor credit<u></u><u></u></div></div></span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Jim,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">My reasoning for adjusting schedules instead of LPD or actual connected kW is that it's more transparent for the reviewer, because:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The baseline LPDs == 90.1 required values<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Proposed model LPDs or directly input kWs == what is on the drawings<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">You can then have identical "occupancy sensor" schedules in both the models which is applied where occupancy sensors are <u>required </u>in the baseline (classrooms, conference, etc), and where occupancy sensors are <u>installed</u> in the proposed building model.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Steven<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Jim Dirkes <a href="mailto:[mailto:jim@buildingperformanceteam.com]" target="_blank">[mailto:jim@buildingperformanceteam.com]</a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 01, 2011 10:15 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ssavich@systemswestengineers.com" target="_blank">ssavich@systemswestengineers.com</a>; 'Bldg-Sim'<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Bldg-sim] ASHRAE 90.1 Baseline LPD and occupancy sensor credit<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Steven,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Out of curiosity, why do you think it matters that the <u>schedule</u> be adjusted instead of the <u>LPD</u>? It seems that the end result will be the same.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" class="MsoNormal" align="center"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">The Building Performance Team<br></span></b><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">James V. Dirkes II, P.E., BEMP , LEED AP<br>
</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">1631 Acacia Drive NW<br>Grand Rapids, MI 49504<br><a href="tel:616%20450%208653" target="_blank" value="+16164508653">616 450 8653</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]" target="_blank">[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Steven Savich<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 01, 2011 12:35 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Ramana Koti'; 'Bldg-Sim'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] ASHRAE 90.1 Baseline LPD and occupancy sensor credit<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Ramana,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">90.1-2007 Table G3.1 section 6 under Baseline Building Performance states: " . . . No automatic lighting controls (e.g. programmable controls or automatic controls for daylight utilitzation) shall be modeled in the <i>baseline building design</i>, as the lighting schedules used are understood to reflect the mandatory control requirements in this standard."<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">You should not be adjusting the power density number to simulate lighting controls, but adjusting the schedules to reflect occupancy sensor operation. For example, say there are a number of offices and conference rooms in the proposed building that will have occupancy sensor controls. This should be simulated by inputting the LPD or actual connected load, and creating a schedule with a 10% - 15% reduction for each hour of operation per Table G3.2. In the LEED baseline model, the schedule for the offices would be not have the occupancy sensor reduction, but the conference room and other spaces required by 90.1 to have occupancy sensor control would use the reduced schedule. Clear as mud?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Steven<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]" target="_blank">[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ramana Koti<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 01, 2011 8:21 AM<br><b>To:</b> Bldg-Sim<br><b>Subject:</b> [Bldg-sim] ASHRAE 90.1 Baseline LPD and occupancy sensor credit<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">All,<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This question pertains to a LEED energy model per the ASHRAE 90.1 Appendix G. Occupancy sensors are required in spaces such as conference rooms and employee lunch/break rooms per Section 9.4.1.2 and no lighting power density credit can be taken for their use in the proposed design model.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My question is, do the baseline maximum LPDs prescribed by ASHRAE, say 1.3 W/sf for conference rooms, already account for the power 10 or 15% adjustment for occupancy sensor use or does the credit have to be manually applied on top of the 1.3 W/sf in the Baseline model?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you,<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ramana Koti.<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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