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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Karen,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I agree completely, for what it’s worth! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In my response (pasted below for continuity), I wasn’t thinking specifically about how this gets applied in baseline vs. proposed, but focusing on other issues within the comment. I think making a distinction between “plug loads that are an integral part of the lighting system” and otherwise makes sense (desk lamps could fall in either category). Better to not call these process loads at all, to avoid confusion. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My master’s thesis/research was focused on exploring/evaluating task-ambient lighting strategies and their effects on occupants comfort/productivity, so it’s an issue I’m intimate with as a lighting designer =).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br>~Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><img width=119 height=37 id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CCA52C.64BCCA60" alt="cid:489575314@22072009-0ABB"></span><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'>NICK CATON, P.E.</span></b><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#CC9900'>SENIOR ENGINEER<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#CC9900'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'>Smith & Boucher Engineers</span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:#CC9900'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'>25501 west valley parkway, suite 200<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'>olathe, ks 66061<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'>direct 913.344.0036<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'>fax 913.345.0617<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="www.smithboucher.com" title="blocked::www.smithboucher.com"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>www.smithboucher.com</span></a></span><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Karen Walkerman<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 17, 2011 11:38 AM<br><b>To:</b> Carol Gardner<br><b>Cc:</b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org; Tom Butler<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Low Ambient Strategy questioned in LEED Review<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Nick,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I mostly agree with your approach, however I disagree on one point - even though desk lamps may be plugged-in and not permanently installed, if they are part of the overall lighting plan, then I think that they should be included in the proposed model and not in the baseline. If you have low footcandles in a space, but for whaterver reason, task lighting is not required (this architectural studio uses giant multi-touch computers for drawing), then task lights should be modeled equally in both models.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>--<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Karen<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Nick Caton <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:40 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Carol Gardner'; Tom Butler<br><b>Cc:</b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Bldg-sim] Low Ambient Strategy questioned in LEED Review<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Tom et al:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>To your reviewer’s first paragraph… this is something of a tangent for your quandary, but it sometimes infuriates me how many in our industry try to apply/enforce/design around the recommended illuminance level tables without reading the (short!) chapter discussing what they mean and how they’re intended to be used and not used. They are emphatically NOT “minimums.” I have been cornered on this a few times by select individuals outside of a LEED review – suffice to say reviewers who don’t learn what they’re enforcing run the risk of demonstrating their incompetence.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>It appears: (1) your reviewer does not understand task-ambient lighting and could use some education in that dept and (2) you have not communicated exactly what that 20fc figure means. Your reviewer has the impression task surfaces will only have 20fc after all sources (which would be bad lighting for an architecture studio). Correct that impression, and further explain how the targeted illuminance values are going to be achieved.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='color:#1F497D'>“Installed interior lighting power”</span></u><span style='color:#1F497D'> is a 90.1 glossary term. For 90.1-2004/2007, it only includes “permanently installed” fixtures*. Reviewer is having a quibble over vocabulary... If I’m not mistaken, desk lamps are plug loads, and plug loads are process loads. Simple. Perhaps different terminology is part of any revisions you may need to make. I think the term “process lighting” is something your reviewer may be making up, but he/she is referring to lighting integral to refrigerator casework and such in that long list of exceptions… you should not need to “exempt” desk lamps because they’re not permanently installed and so inherently are not part of “installed interior lighting power” to begin with. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>9.6.3(b) is for VDT’s (computer screens) – sorta confusing reference... Does anyone know if there is precedent for this? The function of this passage as I understand it is to permit additional lighting beyond the interior lighting power allowance under the space-by-space method… not to limit task lighting within the allowance. Again, I think the term “task-ambient” is throwing your reviewer off.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I have not attempted documenting this myself, but am not aware of anything in 90.1 or the IESNA Handbook that disallows the use of non-permanently installed lighting (however variable it may be in a college setting) to achieve the targeted illuminance values. This may warrant some investigation however to be sure. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>~Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>* I haven’t reviewed 90.1-2010 thoroughly, but it appears revised in this regard.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=119 height=37 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CCA52C.64BCCA60" alt="cid:489575314@22072009-0ABB"></span><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'>NICK CATON, P.E.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:#CC9900'>SENIOR ENGINEER</span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#CC9900'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:#CC9900'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>Smith & Boucher Engineers</span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:#CC9900'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>25501 west valley parkway, suite 200</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>olathe, ks 66061<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>direct 913.344.0036<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>fax 913.345.0617<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="www.smithboucher.com" title="blocked::www.smithboucher.com"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>www.smithboucher.com</span></a></span><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'> </span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 4:36 AM, Carol Gardner <<a href="mailto:gems@spiritone.com" target="_blank">gems@spiritone.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>tb,<br><br>After, you have read through this couple of times, or looked at it in an Excel table, you will figure out the changes you have to make and make them. Always remember, do the proposed case first and then back out the baseline, which must meet the applicable code. <br><br>I think in a case like this building you would have had a different result if you had attached, or put into the form, what you were trying to do and how you did it. Your explanation is quite good and it gives the reviewers something to look at besides numbers. Then you get to exercise both sides of your brain.<br><br>Cheers,<br><br>Carol<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br>On 11/16/2011 10:26 PM, Tom Butler wrote: <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Sorry for the long attachment here, but this LEED v2.2 EAc1 comment has me really confused so I want to post it in its entirety.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>1.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>The EAc1 Narrative describes the interior lighting design target for all studio spaces is 20 fc and that task lights have been modeled identically in the Baseline and Proposed case. However, according to the IESNA Lighting Handbook, ninth edition, the minimum horizontal design illuminance for art studios is 50 fc and for reading areas with handwritten tasks is 30 fc. The ASHRAE allowances represent the power allowance required to meet the minimum IESNA illuminance requirements for various space types. It is inappropriate to claim savings for designs that do not meet the minimum lighting level requirements and model the additional lighting power in the Baseline for lighting in the Proposed that is required to perform the anticipated tasks.<br><br>Also, Table 1.4 reports that 4.02 kW of process lighting has been modeled in both cases, and it is assumed that this represents the task lighting. Process lighting is limited to the exempt interior lighting applications described in Section 9.2.2.3. Task lighting is regulated and thus not considered a process load. Section 9.6.3(b) does provide an additional allowance for task lighting when the Space by Space Method is used, but this may not be used for lighting required to raise the ambient lighting to meet the required lighting levels. If this additional allowance is used in the Proposed design, the Baseline must be modeled with the same power as the Proposed up to the 0.35 W/square foot allowance. Please remove all task lighting power from the Baseline model that is required to meet the IESNA recommended illuminance levels. If any of the additional allowance from Section 9.2.2.3 is applied to the Baseline case, provide calculations verifying that this additional lighting is not required in the Proposed case to meet the required illuminance levels and confirming that this only represents the portion of the additional allowance that is used in the Proposed case.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>My first question; isn’t low ambient-task specific a commonly accepted energy use reduction strategy? Why would I model a lighting design in the proposed solution which isn’t installed and how would one determine, without an extensive lighting design effort, the appropriate lighting power to achieve 50fc, or 30fc? (not quite sure which one they want) <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Second, the spaces in question are architecture college studios. If the task lighting is a plug in desk lamp, provided by the student, then am I correct in assuming it’s not regulated by 9.2.2.3? 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