Hi everyone<div><br></div><div>During last week greenbuild at toronto i met a reviewer i and ask her what kind of baseline system should i have when using biomass as heating fuel in the proposed system. </div><div>She give me a different 'view': i should consider using biomass in both buildings, so i could only take advantage of the energy efficiency of the bioler (furnace) in the proposed, then i should consider the most used system's efficiency in the zone.</div>
<div>what do you think?, still confusing for me!</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- <br>Javier Durán Palma<div>Gerente General B-green SA</div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
2011/9/1 Javier Duran <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:javier@b-green.cl">javier@b-green.cl</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hi Nick<div>
Thanks for the point, i think i will ask them before submitting, I´ll come back with the answer.</div><div class="im"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div>-- <br>Javier Durán Palma<div>Gerente General B-green SA</div>
</div></div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/9/1 Nick Caton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com" target="_blank">ncaton@smithboucher.com</a>></span><br>
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<div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Hi Javier,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I would arrive at the same conclusion based on a strict reading of 90.1.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I can’t speak directly for USGBC or its reviewership, but I would expect a rational/logical individual who is permitted to review models in a rational/logical fashion to at least consider accepting an alternate, non-electric baseline system *if* you can make a strong case for why a specific non-electric baseline would make for a fundamentally *better* system upon which to found a performance rating. Perhaps circumstances specific to the region of Chile you’re working in mean an equivalent electric heating source would be infeasible? I don’t personally believe 90.1 & LEED are at their core trying to make it inordinately easy *or* difficult for any specific region or circumstance, but rather trying to make the procedure as evenhanded as possible. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Before taking any action (other than pursuing an “electric or other” baseline system), I would first suggest determining whether you can make such a case. If so, take the actions necessary to pose your situation/query in a written fashion to the correct parties through the proper LEED channels – It’s been said your LEED project administrator may have an email for directing project-specific questions to the appropriate parties outside of a formal CIR. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Javier Duran<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:10 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Bldg-sim] LEED Baseline system definition<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">Hi Everyone,<u></u><u></u></span></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">We are working on LEED certification for a school project in the south of Chile. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">The building has a wood pellet based biomass Boiler to provide heating. Since the definition of the baseline system depends on the heating system of the proposed building, I am wondering how to clasified the wood pellet boiler.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">The choices are:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">1 fossil fuel, <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">2 electric or Other<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">Should I consider wood pellet as " Other " and therefore the baseline system would be Electric?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">Many Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">-- <br>Javier Durán Palma<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Gerente General B-green SA<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
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