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<DIV>Hello,</DIV>
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<DIV>data availibility either for simulation or predictive control is
vital.</DIV>
<DIV>I was ventilating the idea of non for profit local data centres, collecting
an providing data for facility management but also for planning building
integrated solar and wind harvesting.</DIV>
<DIV>Having all those web-enabled devices this should not be very costly.</DIV>
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<DIV>Any progress anyhwere that this idea will materialise? While public
administrations sleeping, finally the google boys may take over and we will risk
a 100% dependency on them. I just learned that even sketchup is now part of
building modeling.</DIV>
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<DIV>best regards</DIV>
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<DIV>Gerfried</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jhaberl@tamu.edu
href="mailto:jhaberl@tamu.edu">Jeff Haberl</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 12, 2011 3:20 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=paul@zed-uk.com href="mailto:paul@zed-uk.com">Paul
Carey</A> ; <A title=l.f.r.peeters@gmail.com
href="mailto:l.f.r.peeters@gmail.com">leen peeters</A> ; <A
title=bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org
href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</A>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Bldg-sim] wind speed in TMY</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P>Hello,</P>
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<P>Unfortunately, historical wind speeds on TMY files that come from NOAA data
are from peak 5 minute gusts, which can have little correlation to average
hourly wind speeds. At some stations integrating sensors have been added, but it
will take time to push these data through the average year data base.</P>
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<P>In addition, previous work in England using ultrasonic sensors has shown that
NOAA data also suffers from severe drop out at speeds less than 5 to 10 MPH,
which means that most sites show "0" wind speed, whereas there is actually some
wind, but not enough to move the cups on the anemometer. This can be a problem
for simulation of natural ventilation.</P>
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<P>ASHRAE's TC 4.2 continues to discussed these and other issues, which can be
viewed on ASHRAE web page in their meeting minutes.</P>
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<P>Jeff</P>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Tahoma>8=! 8=) :=)
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8=) :=') 8=)8=?<BR><BR>Jeff S. Haberl, Ph.D.,P.E.,
FASHRAE..............jhaberl@tamu.edu<BR><BR>Professor............................................................Office
Ph: 979-845-6507<BR><BR>Department of
Architecture.............................Lab Ph:979-845-6065<BR><BR>Energy
Systems Laboratory.............................FAX: 979-862-2457<BR><BR>Texas
A&M University.....................................77843-3581<BR><BR>College
Station, Texas, USA,
77843..................URL:www.esl.tamu.edu<BR><BR>8=/ 8=) :=)
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face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] on behalf of Paul Carey
[paul@zed-uk.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, June 11, 2011 4:16 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
leen peeters; bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Bldg-sim]
wind speed in TMY<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Dear Leen<BR><BR>Most weather data quotes the reference wind speed which is
that at 10m above the ground as measured at certain weather stations. Adjustment
factors are then made for levels of surface roughness, I.e. urban, rural
environments. I think the TMY follows the same
convention.<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR><BR>Sent from my HTC<BR><BR>Dr Paul
Carey<BR>Director<BR><BR>Zero Energy Design Ltd<BR>10a Portland Place<BR>2-22
Mottram Road<BR>Stalybridge<BR>Cheshire<BR>UK<BR>SK15 3AD<BR><BR>Tel - +44 161
3386200<BR>Mob - +44 789 4098012<BR>Email - paul@zed-uk.com<BR><BR><BR><BR>-----
Reply message -----<BR>From: "leen peeters"
<l.f.r.peeters@gmail.com><BR>Date: Sat, Jun 11, 2011 20:34<BR>Subject:
[Bldg-sim] wind speed in TMY<BR>To:
<bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org><BR><BR>Hi,<BR><BR>can anyone tell me what
wind speed is exactly meant in the TMY. Is it the<BR>free, undisturbed wind
speed, the wind speed above the roof, the wind speed<BR>at 10 metres above the
ground ....<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR><BR>Leen<BR><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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