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--></style></head><body lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m not sure it is a completely fair comparison straight up – many of the LEED for New Construction projects that I see have extremely high demands and expectations from their owners about productivity and features. Many of these that I have experience with are healthcare, higher education, and laboratories, which as Julia B. mentioned have a huge impact from the operational characteristics that can be influenced at the time of design, but are only partially inside the sphere of influence for the architect and engineers as the building operates. Also lots of commercial high rises for banking institutions with heavy computer loads. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Especially as the energy code squeezes the “regulated” energies down to lower and lower levels, the process energy usage becomes a greater percent of the total which could be a major factor in why many of the buildings from the study weren’t performing as modeled – the energy end-use that is the least influenced by the design team is becoming a larger percentage of the total.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Since the energy savings percentage currently utilized is a relative baseline, you may see some variations in absolute EUI between two neighboring properties – in fact I’d expect it! If a building was going to be required to save 10% versus 90.1 and a peer building was built nearby that was “equal” to 90.1, the variances in the process loads, system mapping, building geometry, occupied hours, etc. could be just as important variables than LEED registration or non-registration to determine which had a higher EUI than the other. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It will be very difficult to account for the geometry and occupancy variables when determining the proposed target EUIs. Also how to even choose the metric as a basis between site, source, energy cost – this is going to be very difficult to implement. What about the Durst Organization building that has cogen, heat recovery for absorption, and thermal storage…definitely won’t fit this target EUI mold, but overall the strategies were recommended and implemented by a savvy owner.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Specifically about the “famous study” I could also make an argument that relating to energy usage, there are certainly many designers (many of ourselves on this list I hope!) that work on projects where we’re using efficient systems and equipment as the basis regardless of LEED registration – who is to say that an owner can’t make an initiative for an energy efficient building without LEED certification? 90.1 and IECC have been advancing quickly, and even the code minimum building built today should be a pretty good performer. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So to make a long story short, I think the idea of having the EUI conversation is good and agree that any EUI target would have to be subject to adjustment, and that more emphasis/incentive should be placed on the EBOM rating system as a tool for improving the operations of the buildings for the remainder of their lifetimes. I don’t see how EUI targets will work in a formulaic/prescriptive way as part of a LEED credit or prerequisite in place of the relative baseline we use now without a major change in how the project is approached from the owners. The larger goals should be achievable without this step in my opinion, and having the discussions on an individual project basis.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">David</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">David S. Eldridge, Jr., P.E., LEED AP BD+C, BEMP, BEAP, HBDP</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#244061">Grumman/Butkus Associates</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Hussein Abaza<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 14, 2011 7:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:sheffer@energyopportunities.com">sheffer@energyopportunities.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Energy Model Cost - best design doesn'tequalmost LEED points</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#000099">There is a famous study ( I don't recall the link to it) which shows that almost 50% of LEED buildings consume as much and more energy than non LEED buildings. <br>
----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Marcus Sheffer" <<a href="mailto:sheffer@energyopportunities.com">sheffer@energyopportunities.com</a>><br>To: "Julia Beabout" <<a href="mailto:juliabeabout@yahoo.com">juliabeabout@yahoo.com</a>>, "Nick Caton" <<a href="mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com">ncaton@smithboucher.com</a>>, "Hussein Abaza" <<a href="mailto:ahussein@spsu.edu">ahussein@spsu.edu</a>>, "Bill Bishop" <<a href="mailto:wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com">wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com</a>><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 4:36:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>Subject: RE: [Bldg-sim] Energy Model Cost - best design doesn'tequalmost LEED points<br>
<br><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The primary purpose is to get the conversation started, early. It is an opportunity to educate the owner and the team about energy. In my experience the majority of designers can’t even tell you the metric for comparing building energy consumption. I have often had this conversation early in the project design and have been met with blank stares. It is incumbent upon us who do understand these energy issues to get the conversation started. Caveat the heck out of the goal, explain the limitations, discuss the relative vs absolute metrics, be open about the issues – so that we can raise awareness one conversation at a time. This is the power of a market transformation tool like LEED. It enables us to have these conversations.</span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I agree that both of these items are potential issues, talk to your clients about them. If you don’t have a goal, how do you measure success?</span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:green">Marcus Sheffer</span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:green">Energy Opportunities, Inc/a 7group Company</span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">1200 E Camping Area Road, Wellsville, PA 17365</span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">717-292-2636, </span><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:sheffer@sevengroup.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">sheffer@sevengroup.com</span></a></span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a href="http://www.sevengroup.com" target="_blank">www.sevengroup.com</a></span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#000099">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#000099"> Julia Beabout [mailto:<a href="mailto:juliabeabout@yahoo.com">juliabeabout@yahoo.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 14, 2011 9:57 AM<br><b>To:</b> Marcus Sheffer; Nick Caton; Hussein Abaza; Bill Bishop<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Energy Model Cost - best design doesn'tequalmost LEED points</span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p>
</div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#000099">While I conceptually agree with and understand the kbtu or watts/sf approach, to me, there seems to be some series issues with it in reality.<br>
<br>First, I don't agree that generating or coming up with appropriate target values during design is always (or even frequently) an easy thing to do or easy data to find. It depends on your bldg type. I do a lot of labs and hospitals. Manufacturing and industrial use bldgs can have the same issues. Good EUI data is not easy to come by for these bldg types - partly because the user equipment that is installed in them can be a big portion of the energy demand and consumption and it's always changing and can be very specific to each client. For example: is it a community hosptial with more modest and generic care provide?....a state of the art hospital with specialized care functions?....does the lab have primarily biology or a chemistry functions....etc etc. These things all affect the EUI. In my opinion, the best resource for this data is actually utility companies based on data from similar customers, but that data is not generally publicly available and/or the population of similar comparable buildings may be small and difficult to relate to your bldg. <br>
<br>Second, quite frankly, in my opinion, DESIGN phase energy models are poor predictors of ACTUAL bldg energy use. They are best at predicting RELATIVE (comparative) energy use. This is not because the tools are not good or inaccurate but because we and the owners are so poor at predicting how the bldg will actually be used, weather, etc. One additional factor, is what equipment will actually be installed. It's not uncommon for the technology to have changed bewteen the time that we start design and the time the equipment is actually purchased closer to the end of construction. All these things effect not only the equipment w/sf usage but the ac w/sf usage etc. So, there seems to me to be a serious disconnect to me if we talking about setting energy targets during DESIGNbased on statistical data of ACTUAL energy use and trying to use those figure during the design phase for predicted energy use. Again, I love the idea but are we really there yet in reality. It seems to me we need a lot more data that doesn't exist yet - and mechanism to collect that data. (CBECS etc are good, but the population and variability for bldgs of these types has a long way to go).<br>
<br>I missing something about what's being proposed/talked about?</span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#000099"> </span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#000099"><hr size="1" width="100%" align="center"></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#000099">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#000099"> Marcus Sheffer <<a href="mailto:sheffer@energyopportunities.com">sheffer@energyopportunities.com</a>><br>
<b>To:</b> Nick Caton <<a href="mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com">ncaton@smithboucher.com</a>>; Hussein Abaza <<a href="mailto:ahussein@spsu.edu">ahussein@spsu.edu</a>>; Bill Bishop <<a href="mailto:wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com">wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Fri, May 13, 2011 7:01:25 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Energy Model Cost - best design doesn'tequalmost LEED points</span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">First of all the goal is not at all arbitrary but must be based on an expected outcome within a reasonable expectation. It is informed by data from similar, actual building energy consumption. I don’t think I need to explain the tools one can use to do this.</span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Your goal (do the best you can) sounds like, “let’s build an energy efficient building”. This is meaningless. Energy efficiency in the context of new construction is always relative and without a quantification of what energy efficient means this is no goal at all.</span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Like any early stage performance goal the number is adjustable as more is discovered in the design process. If the target is later discovered to be unreasonable due to a wide range of potential issues, then the target is adjusted.</span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If you pick your EUI goal the way you describe then yes this is a worthless goal but the key point is that it is never selected arbitrarily. </span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:green">Marcus Sheffer</span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:green">Energy Opportunities, Inc/a 7group Company</span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">1200 E Camping Area Road, Wellsville, PA 17365</span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">717-292-2636, </span><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:sheffer@sevengroup.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">sheffer@sevengroup.com</span></a></span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a href="http://www.sevengroup.com" target="_blank">www.sevengroup.com</a></span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#000099">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#000099"> Nick Caton [mailto:<a href="mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com">ncaton@smithboucher.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 13, 2011 6:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> Marcus Sheffer; Hussein Abaza; Bill Bishop<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Bldg-sim] Energy Model Cost - best design doesn'tequalmost LEED points</span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p>
</div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Not to be a jerk, but to ask an honest question: what is the point? I’ve been involved with “established energy target” projects and never really picked up on the logic behind it – I would appreciate a layman’s explanation.</span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Put another way: If you select an arbitrary EUI or watts per square foot at the earliest stages of design, what have you gained in design process? If/when a project “meets the goal” mid-design, are future design decisions supposed to de-emphasize energy impact (no!)? If on the other hand, a project finds that target unreasonable down the road, what then? </span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Not setting a mile-marker like this implies designing the best building you can given the time/budget available and any other constraints… that seems more likely to result in the best end-result to me.</span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">To draw analogy, if design of a LEED (or any energy-conscious) project is like planning a road trip from Kansas to Florida, setting EUI goals seems something like choosing a rest stop by throwing a dart at the map blindfolded. It doesn’t help you get to your destination any more efficiently, it may be far out of the way, and now you’ve got a hole in the wall… what was the point?</span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Okay, maybe a weak analogy – chalking it up to a very long week =). Honestly, I’d appreciate someone laying the value behind this approach – I’m expect the logic does exist, and I just haven’t yet seen the light!</span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">~Nick</span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#000099">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#000099"> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marcus Sheffer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 13, 2011 4:36 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Hussein Abaza'; Bill Bishop<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Energy Model Cost - best design doesn'tequalmost LEED points</span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p>
</div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Agreed. The new credit language for the next version of LEED does ask project teams to establish an absolute performance goal.</span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:green">Marcus Sheffer</span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">1200 E Camping Area Road, Wellsville, PA 17365</span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">717-292-2636, </span><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:sheffer@sevengroup.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">sheffer@sevengroup.com</span></a></span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p>
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</div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#000099">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#000099"> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Hussein Abaza<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 13, 2011 10:15 AM<br><b>To:</b> Bill Bishop<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Energy Model Cost - best design doesn't equalmost LEED points</span><span style="color:#000099"></span></p>
</div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#000099">Could any one advice why LEED would not put the base design as Watt per square foot, or per occupant, or per hotel bed etc. so the Architecture becomes more innovative early in the design to save energy?<br>
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