<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000099'>There is a famous study ( I don't recall the link to it) which shows that almost 50% of LEED buildings consume as much and more energy than non LEED buildings. <br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Marcus Sheffer" <sheffer@energyopportunities.com><br>To: "Julia Beabout" <juliabeabout@yahoo.com>, "Nick Caton" <ncaton@smithboucher.com>, "Hussein Abaza" <ahussein@spsu.edu>, "Bill Bishop" <wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com><br>Cc: bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 4:36:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>Subject: RE: [Bldg-sim] Energy Model Cost - best design doesn'tequalmost LEED points<br><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">The primary purpose is to get the conversation started, early.
It is an opportunity to educate the owner and the team about energy. In my experience
the majority of designers can’t even tell you the metric for comparing building
energy consumption. I have often had this conversation early in the project
design and have been met with blank stares. It is incumbent upon us who do
understand these energy issues to get the conversation started. Caveat the heck
out of the goal, explain the limitations, discuss the relative vs absolute
metrics, be open about the issues – so that we can raise awareness one conversation
at a time. This is the power of a market transformation tool like LEED. It
enables us to have these conversations.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">I agree that both of these items are potential issues, talk to
your clients about them. If you don’t have a goal, how do you measure success?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:green">Marcus Sheffer</span><span style="color:#1F497D"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:green">Energy Opportunities, Inc/a 7group Company</span><span style="color:#1F497D"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">1200 E Camping Area Road, Wellsville, PA 17365</span><span style="color:#1F497D"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">717-292-2636, </span><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:sheffer@sevengroup.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"">sheffer@sevengroup.com</span></a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D"><a href="http://www.sevengroup.com" target="_blank">www.sevengroup.com</a></span><span style="color:#1F497D"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Julia Beabout
[mailto:juliabeabout@yahoo.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 14, 2011 9:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Marcus Sheffer; Nick Caton; Hussein Abaza; Bill Bishop<br>
<b>Cc:</b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Energy Model Cost - best design doesn'tequalmost
LEED points</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">While
I conceptually agree with and understand the kbtu or watts/sf approach, to me,
there seems to be some series issues with it in reality.<br>
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First, I don't agree that generating or coming up with appropriate target
values during design is always (or even frequently) an easy thing to do or easy
data to find. It depends on your bldg type. I do a lot of labs and
hospitals. Manufacturing and industrial use bldgs can have the same
issues. Good EUI data is not easy to come by for these bldg types -
partly because the user equipment that is installed in them can be a big
portion of the energy demand and consumption and it's always changing and can
be very specific to each client. For example: is it a community hosptial
with more modest and generic care provide?....a state of the art hospital with
specialized care functions?....does the lab have primarily biology or a
chemistry functions....etc etc. These things all affect the EUI. In
my opinion, the best resource for this data is actually utility companies based
on data from similar customers, but that data is not generally publicly
available and/or the population of similar comparable buildings may be small
and difficult to relate to your bldg. <br>
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Second, quite frankly, in my opinion, DESIGN phase energy models are poor
predictors of ACTUAL bldg energy use. They are best at predicting
RELATIVE (comparative) energy use. This is not because the tools are not
good or inaccurate but because we and the owners are so poor at predicting how
the bldg will actually be used, weather, etc. One additional factor, is
what equipment will actually be installed. It's not uncommon for the
technology to have changed bewteen the time that we start design and the time
the equipment is actually purchased closer to the end of construction.
All these things effect not only the equipment w/sf usage but the ac w/sf usage
etc. So, there seems to me to be a serious disconnect to me if we
talking about setting energy targets during DESIGNbased on statistical data of
ACTUAL energy use and trying to use those figure during the design phase for
predicted energy use. Again, I love the idea but are we really there yet
in reality. It seems to me we need a lot more data that doesn't exist yet
- and mechanism to collect that data. (CBECS etc are good, but the
population and variability for bldgs of these types has a long way to go).<br>
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I missing something about what's being proposed/talked about?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Marcus Sheffer
<sheffer@energyopportunities.com><br>
<b>To:</b> Nick Caton <ncaton@smithboucher.com>; Hussein Abaza
<ahussein@spsu.edu>; Bill Bishop <wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Fri, May 13, 2011 7:01:25 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Energy Model Cost - best design doesn'tequalmost
LEED points</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">First of all the goal is not at all arbitrary but must be based
on an expected outcome within a reasonable expectation. It is informed by
data from similar, actual building energy consumption. I don’t think I
need to explain the tools one can use to do this.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">Your goal (do the best you can) sounds like, “let’s build an
energy efficient building”. This is meaningless. Energy efficiency
in the context of new construction is always relative and without a
quantification of what energy efficient means this is no goal at all.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">Like any early stage performance goal the number is adjustable
as more is discovered in the design process. If the target is later
discovered to be unreasonable due to a wide range of potential issues, then the
target is adjusted.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">If you pick your EUI goal the way you describe then yes this is
a worthless goal but the key point is that it is never selected arbitrarily. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:green">Marcus Sheffer</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:green">Energy Opportunities, Inc/a 7group Company</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">1200 E Camping Area Road, Wellsville, PA 17365</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">717-292-2636, </span><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:sheffer@sevengroup.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">sheffer@sevengroup.com</span></a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D"><a href="http://www.sevengroup.com" target="_blank">www.sevengroup.com</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> Nick Caton
[mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 13, 2011 6:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Marcus Sheffer; Hussein Abaza; Bill Bishop<br>
<b>Cc:</b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Bldg-sim] Energy Model Cost - best design doesn'tequalmost
LEED points</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">Not to be a jerk, but to ask an honest question: what is the
point? I’ve been involved with “established energy target” projects and
never really picked up on the logic behind it – I would appreciate a layman’s
explanation.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">Put another way: If you select an arbitrary EUI or watts
per square foot at the earliest stages of design, what have you gained in
design process? If/when a project “meets the goal” mid-design, are future
design decisions supposed to de-emphasize energy impact (no!)? If on the
other hand, a project finds that target unreasonable down the road, what
then? </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">Not setting a mile-marker like this implies designing the best
building you can given the time/budget available and any other constraints…
that seems more likely to result in the best end-result to me.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">To draw analogy, if design of a LEED (or any energy-conscious)
project is like planning a road trip from Kansas to Florida, setting EUI goals
seems something like choosing a rest stop by throwing a dart at the map
blindfolded. It doesn’t help you get to your destination any more
efficiently, it may be far out of the way, and now you’ve got a hole in the
wall… what was the point?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">Okay, maybe a weak analogy – chalking it up to a very long week
=). Honestly, I’d appreciate someone laying the value behind this
approach – I’m expect the logic does exist, and I just haven’t yet seen the
light!</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">~Nick</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">
bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marcus
Sheffer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 13, 2011 4:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Hussein Abaza'; Bill Bishop<br>
<b>Cc:</b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Energy Model Cost - best design doesn'tequalmost
LEED points</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">Agreed. The new credit language for the next version of
LEED does ask project teams to establish an absolute performance goal.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:green">Marcus Sheffer</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:green">Energy Opportunities, Inc/a 7group Company</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">1200 E Camping Area Road, Wellsville, PA 17365</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">717-292-2636, </span><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:sheffer@sevengroup.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">sheffer@sevengroup.com</span></a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">
bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Hussein
Abaza<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 13, 2011 10:15 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bill Bishop<br>
<b>Cc:</b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Energy Model Cost - best design doesn't
equalmost LEED points</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#000099">Could any one advice why LEED would not put the base design as
Watt per square foot, or per occupant, or per hotel bed etc. so the
Architecture becomes more innovative early in the design to save energy?<br>
<br>
----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Bill Bishop" <wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com><br>
To: "Arpan Bakshi" <arpanbakshi@gmail.com><br>
Cc: bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 10:11:30 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>
Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Energy Model Cost - best design doesn't equal
most LEED points</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">Arpan,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">Based on the Weidt Group paper, I’m guessing you’re emphasizing
architectural considerations that affect the energy cost vs. LEED points
numbers. (The paper uses window-to-wall ratios and daylighting as an example.)
I would think the goal during the programming and schematic design phases
should be energy cost, not LEED points relative to the App. G baseline. Much of
the energy cost savings vs. App. G baseline (EAc1 points) is going to come
later from the mechanical and lighting designs. The suggestions in the paper to
establish specific baseline building shapes and glazing percentages would add a
LOT more modeling time – you’d have to create two separate building geometries
for the baseline and proposed models, not to mention different zoning patterns,
space types, lighting power per space etc.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">For mechanical design, once the size and programming of the
project is established, the baseline model properties are pretty well set,
unless you consider fuel-switching and go between baseline systems 1/3/5/7 to
systems 2/4/6/8. One exception I can think of for a design decision that
results in higher energy cost but better comparison with the App. G baseline is
higher ventilation rates combined with heat recovery in the proposed and no
heat recovery in the baseline.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">Regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">Bill</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D"><img src="cid:image002.jpg@01CC1252.DEBFC5F0" id="Picture_x0020_1" alt="Signature in jpg form" border="0" height="123" width="496"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#000099">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#000099"> bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Arpan
Bakshi<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 13, 2011 9:09 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> sheffer@energyopportunities.com<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Energy Model Cost</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099"> </span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099">Marcus, thank you incorporating
this language.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="color:#000099">The
one scenario we often see in our design guidance work is that a proposed design
when compared with other design alternates does not necessarily provided the
largest energy savings when compared against its own baseline case model. It is
difficult to make a recommendation as consultants when we want to present the
Owner with both real energy cost savings without compromising their LEED
certification level targets. </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099">A recent paper presented by the
Weidt Group at SimBuild touched on this issue:</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099"><a href="http://www.ibpsa.us/pub/simbuild2010/technicalPresentations/SB10-PPT-TS02A-03-Baker.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.ibpsa.us/pub/simbuild2010/technicalPresentations/SB10-PPT-TS02A-03-Baker.pdf</a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099"> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="color:#000099"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="color:#000099">Arpan
Bakshi, LEED AP BD+C</span></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="color:#000099">YRG
sustainability</span></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="color:#000099"><br>
On May 13, 2011, at 8:16 AM, "Marcus Sheffer" <<a href="mailto:sheffer@energyopportunities.com" target="_blank">sheffer@energyopportunities.com</a>>
wrote:</span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">If anyone has any good ideas about how to structure the LEED
credits to end the practice of validation models at the end and
encourage/require design phase modeling the folks on the USGBC EA TAG would
love to hear them. The current proposed credit language from the first
public comment phase is listed below.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#76923C">NC, CS, SCHOOLS, RETAIL, WAREHOUSE & DISTRIBUTION CENTERS,
HOSPITALITY</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#76923C">Establish an energy performance target no later than the
schematic design phase. The target must be established as kBTU per square
foot-year of source energy use. This target must be mapped on the same scale as
the baseline and proposed buildings, if the project follows Option 1.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#76923C"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#76923C">OPTION 1. Whole Building Energy Simulation </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#76923C">Analyze a minimum of at least nine efficiency measures during
the design process and account for the results in design decision-making.
Analysis can include energy simulation of efficiency opportunities, application
of past energy simulation analyses for similar projects to the project, or
application of published data from energy analyses performed for similar
projects to the project (such as AEDGs).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#76923C"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#76923C">A minimum of six energy efficiency measures focused on load
reduction strategies appropriate for the facility must be analyzed. This
analysis must be performed during the schematic design phase.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#76923C"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#76923C">A minimum of three energy efficiency measures focused on HVAC
related strategies must be analyzed (passive measures are acceptable). This
analysis must be performed before the conclusion of the design development
phase.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#76923C"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#76923C">The results of the analysis must be summarized in a brief report
or memorandum.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">The next version of LEED will be going out for public comment
again in July, I think, so please comment formally as well as discussing here.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:green">Marcus Sheffer</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:green">Energy Opportunities, Inc/a 7group Company</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">1200 E Camping Area Road, Wellsville, PA 17365</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">717-292-2636, </span><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:sheffer@sevengroup.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">sheffer@sevengroup.com</span></a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D"><a href="http://www.sevengroup.com" target="_blank">www.sevengroup.com</a></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#000099">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#000099"> John Aulbach [mailto:jra_sac@yahoo.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 12, 2011 7:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Carol Gardner; Marcus Sheffer<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Energy Model Cost</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099"> </span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099">OK, Carol..now you threw the
"bait" out there..older than dirt, eh?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099">I have done very limited LEED
"type" modeling where you compare 20 walls and 40 windows types
(well, it seemed that way). Correct me if I am wrong, but a Base model
must be built to comply with a certain level of ASHRAE 90.1 (now up to 2010
??). With all of the nuisances of eQuest 3.64, I am going to build the model
from scrathc and put in all the relevant baseline data in by hand. And,
by the way, the ASHRAE baseline model might be an entirely different
system. I am just completing an EPACT evaluation (ASHRAE 90.1-2001) and
the Baseline HVAC was screwe chillers, whereas the Actual building was packaged
units with Turbocor compressors (ask me how I did that).</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099">It very much depends on the
complexity of the building. A 40,000 sf office or a 500,000 sf hotel with
casino facilites.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099">I am unfamiliar with the LEED
paperwork to be filled out after the modeling has been done. But I would not do
anything of this type in under 120 hours, preferably 160 hours. If the client
thinks he can do better, let him.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099">Contingency, contingency.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099">We won't discuss how old CAROL
might be..</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099">John A.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099"> </span></p>
<div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#000099">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#000099"> Carol Gardner <<a href="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com" target="_blank">cmg750@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:sheffer@energyopportunities.com" target="_blank">sheffer@energyopportunities.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thu, May 12, 2011 2:59:12 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Energy Model Cost<br>
</span><span style="color:#000099"><br>
Marcus,<br>
<br>
You have inadvertently hit upon why IBPSA worked with ASHRAE to create a BEMP
certification. That's Building Energy Modeling Professional (BEMP). <br>
<br>
Some of us who have been in the field for awhile began to worry a couple of
years ago when so many new energy modelers began appearing on the listserv with
questions. Their questions indicated a lack of training and experience that was
worrisome. What made it worrisome was that they didn't seem to realize that
they were as inexperienced as they were; they didn't appear to be pursuing
training to learn how to do what they were doing; and we were uncertain as to
how or if they were practicing quality control. We hoped that by creating a
path to certification that we would give clients one more qualification to look
for in their modelers.<br>
<br>
If you have been in this industry for any length of time, and by industry I
mean the overall construction industry, you know that you don't get a lot of
chances if your work doesn't pan out. If your energy model says I have a LEED Gold
building and I'm going to save $4,000/year and what I really get is LEED Silver
and $1,000/year, I am not going to be happy. So, I will probably not give you
any more work but, even worse for all of us, I'll start expressing doubts about
the whole process. LEED - what is it good for?<br>
<br>
So, now we all have more training, right? We read our ASHRAE Handbooks and
technical manuals so we know how to model the difficult stuff. We can find any
topic in the DOE2 Manuals, all of which are one line, available, and easily
searchable. <br>
<br>
So now we are so good we can do these models in 40-80 hours. Really? Not me and
I've been doing it longer than everyone, except you, John Aulbach. So I'm going
to join Marcus in his rant because he's on to something.<br>
<br>
It's up to us to not under bid this work. It's up to us to educate our clients
about the importance of quality in this process. If they think they are getting
the same analysis in 40 hours that they used to get in 120 hours, they need to
be led around to rethinking that and to be reminded that GIGO.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Carol<br>
<br>
<br>
Thu, May 12, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Marcus Sheffer <<a href="mailto:sheffer@energyopportunities.com" target="_blank">sheffer@energyopportunities.com</a>>
wrote:</span></p>
<div>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">In our experience a final model,
done right, would take about 80 hours.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">WARNING – frustrated modeling
rant to follow:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Doing just a final model however
completely misses the point as to why we model – it is to guide design
decisions! </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">If I saw this RFP and all it
asked me for was a model to determine LEED points, during or after design, I
would try to educate the potential client about the purpose of modeling.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Unfortunately too many projects
pursuing LEED are only doing the minimum when it comes to modeling and almost
completely missing all the benefits. Too often the “market” transforms
only based on a least first cost denominator basis that results in little real
transformation. Doing models to determine LEED points does not transform
the market, save any energy, and just circumvents the purpose behind LEED. (the
next version actually requires design phase modeling!)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Any “modeler” who does only
final models without attempting to explain to the owner why this is a bad idea
should be “drummed out of the corp” in my humble opinion.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The problem is that if you
respond to this RFP with 120 or 160 or more hours to really do the design phase
modeling right, you will go up against the “modeler” who claims to be able to
do it in far less time. So how do we get the folks who issue the RFPs to
ask for a proper scope of work so that they can compare fees on a level playing
field? It is unfortunate that we are even having a discussion about doing
modeling work in opposition to its purpose.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Sorry for the rant but I feel
better now. </span><span style="font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">J</span><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:green">Marcus Sheffer</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:green">Energy
Opportunities, Inc/a 7group Company</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#1F497D">1200 E Camping
Area Road, Wellsville, PA 17365</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#1F497D">717-292-2636, </span><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:sheffer@sevengroup.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:7.5pt">sheffer@sevengroup.com</span></a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#1F497D"><a href="http://www.sevengroup.com" target="_blank">www.sevengroup.com</a></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#000099">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#000099"> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Demba Ndiaye<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 12, 2011 4:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Omar Delgado; <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Energy Model Cost</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Omar,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I would expect, for a building
this size, approximately 40 hours (multiply by your hourly rate). The 40 hours
include EAp2/EAc1 LEED documentation, and any review you may have to respond to
later.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Now, given that you have never
done a LEED model, it will take you more time, possibly up to 40 more hours.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">HTH,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">_______________</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Demba NDIAYE</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#000099">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#000099"> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Omar Delgado<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 12, 2011 7:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Bldg-sim] Energy Model Cost</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099">Greetings everyone,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099">I have a question regarding the
cost of an energy model for a LEED project. Every energy model I've done so far
has been for </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099">existing buildings, mainly for
optimization purposes. However, I received an RFP to model a five-story, 41,500
sq. ft. building</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099">that's currently on the design
phase and is pursuing the LEED-NC Silver certification. I really have no idea
what would be a fair </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099">price for this model since I'm
going to have to use Appendix G (ASHRAE 90.1) to evaluate the difference
between the base </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099">and proposed buildings. I don't
know how much extra effort this will take. I know the procedure, just haven't
done it before.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#000099">Can you shed any light on this
issue?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoHeader"><strong><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#006600">Dr. Hussein Abaza, Assistant Professor</span></strong></p>
<p class="MsoHeader"><strong><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#006600">Construction Management Department </span></strong></p>
<p class="MsoHeader"><strong><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#006600">SCHOOL OF ARCHITECTURE’</span></strong></p>
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<p class="MsoHeader"><strong><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#006600"> And CONSTRUCTION</span></strong></p>
<p class="MsoHeader"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:black">1100 South Marietta Parkway, Marietta, GA 30060-2896</span></p>
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<p style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoHeader"><span style="COLOR: #006600; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><strong><font face="Calibri">Dr. Hussein Abaza, Assistant Professor<!--?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /--><o:p></o:p></font></strong></span></p>
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<p style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoHeader"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">Website: </font><a href="http://www.spsu.edu/cost"><font face="Calibri">www.spsu.edu/cost</font></a><font color="#000000"><font face="Calibri"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Tel: 678-915-3719 Fax: 678-915-4966<o:p></o:p></font></font></span></p>
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