<div>Jason,<br></div><div><br></div><div>I think that you have a very interesting idea. I like that it has come up in the process of discussing future approaches to LEED EA C1 in regards to early modeling. Many modelers with experience can provide useful data to their clients early in the design stages, but as has been said many times, how is LEED (or other rating agency) to know what was modeled, when, why and what benefit did it have? In addition, the standard could be used to better inform the rest of the design team and the building owner what is involved and expected of modeling at different design phases. I guess I'm saying - count me in!</div>
<div><br></div><div>--</div><div>Karen</div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Marcus Sheffer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sheffer@energyopportunities.com">sheffer@energyopportunities.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Julia,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I appreciate your thoughts and input.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">In my opinion early stage modeling (or a reasonable facsimile)
should be required for every green building project. Doing a model at the end
for those average projects serves no real purpose and is frankly a waste of
everyone’s time (see previous rant). If we continue to allow this for LEED the
market will never change. Keep in mind we are talking about LEED and its
stated purpose is market transformation. The typical project should not be
able to get LEED certified if it works properly in the market. Right now the
market has caught up to LEED in many ways. If it does not stay ahead of the
market then it ceases to have any meaning whatsoever. So, if not now, when?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I don’t disagree that the current requirements are rather
prescriptive and that the number of iterations should vary project-to-project.
I am struggling to come up with an alternative that still requires design phase
modeling.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">One can still earn the prerequisite without early stage modeling,
but cannot earn any points for EAc1 as it is now proposed. I don’t think an ID
credit would give enough incentive, too easy to ignore. There are prescriptive
paths specifically to address small projects.</span></p><div class="im">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:green">Marcus Sheffer</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:green">Energy Opportunities, Inc/a 7group Company</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#1F497D">1200 E Camping Area Road, Wellsville, PA 17365</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#1F497D"><a href="tel:717-292-2636" value="+17172922636" target="_blank">717-292-2636</a>, </span><a href="mailto:sheffer@sevengroup.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:7.5pt">sheffer@sevengroup.com</span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.sevengroup.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:7.5pt">www.sevengroup.com</span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Julia Beabout
[mailto:<a href="mailto:juliabeabout@yahoo.com" target="_blank">juliabeabout@yahoo.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 13, 2011 10:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Marcus Sheffer; <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a></span></p><div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Energy Model Cost</div></div>
</div>
</div><div><div class="h5">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Omar,<br>
This is cracking me up. I don't think I've ever seen this much traffic on
one issue! LOL.<br>
Regarding the manhours for a LEED model - my opinion is that the amount of time
has much more to do with the level of certification the project is going for,
at what point the modeling services are engaged in the design, and the type and
complexity of the building (systems). That's not to say the number of
manhours is completely independent of building size (square footage), but its
not particularly sensitive to it. I find that that there is a high
"low" and low "high" for modeling. In other words,
it's hard to complete an energy model in less than 60-80 hours (all said and
done - paperwork, LEED responses etc), but it rarely take more than 250 hours.
(Although, some rare complex projects going for platinmum could take up to 350
hours). Like others, I find the norm for a reasonably complex bldg going
for LEED silver or gold typically requires between 120 and 160 hours. <br>
<br>
Marcus <br>
Here's my two cents on below. I will look for the public comment period as
well. Thanks for the heads up.<br>
I think the idea of incentivizing modeling early in the design is a great idea,
but I think requiring it is completely inappropriate. Perhaps it could be
encouraged by awarding an extra (innovation? or EA cr 1?) point for starting
modeling in schematic design. Or, perhaps the credit could be
restructured similar to the CX credits where in order to get the enhanced CX
credits, you have to have the CX agent involved early in the design. In
some ways, the current set up already does this though with the progress points
for increased levels of saving. Quite frankly, if you are going for 50%
savings, you're not gonig to get there unless you start modeling really early in
the process.<br>
<br>
I also think prescribing a certain minimum number of ECMs to look at is
inappropriate and would probably have the adverse effect of discouraging energy
modeling. The appropriate number of ECMs is highly project dependent -
based on building size, scope, complexity, type, level of LEED certification
shooting for, and not least of all the owner's budget. Let's face it, the
vast majority of bldgs out there and that consume most of the energy in the US
are (strip) malls, grocery stores, restaurants etc. These projects barely
event have a schematic, design and CD phase. While we all love to work on
the exotic, platinum level, cutting edge, bldgs that are likely to have a large
budget for design, these are not the majority of bldgs consuming energy.
I think we should be doing more to encourage modeling and energy savings
amongst the every day projects than the "sexy" projects. It
seems to me the best way to do this is to offer incentives in this direction in
lieu of prescriptive requirements that could discourage/put off smaller
projects from even attempting to incorporate modeling. <br>
<br>
Julia</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Marcus Sheffer
<<a href="mailto:sheffer@energyopportunities.com" target="_blank">sheffer@energyopportunities.com</a>><br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Fri, May 13, 2011 8:16:56 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Energy Model Cost</span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">If anyone has any good ideas about how to structure the LEED
credits to end the practice of validation models at the end and
encourage/require design phase modeling the folks on the USGBC EA TAG would
love to hear them. The current proposed credit language from the first
public comment phase is listed below.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#76923C">NC, CS, SCHOOLS, RETAIL, WAREHOUSE & DISTRIBUTION CENTERS,
HOSPITALITY</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#76923C">Establish an energy performance target no later than the
schematic design phase. The target must be established as kBTU per square
foot-year of source energy use. This target must be mapped on the same scale as
the baseline and proposed buildings, if the project follows Option 1.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#76923C"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#76923C">OPTION 1. Whole Building Energy Simulation </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#76923C">Analyze a minimum of at least nine efficiency measures during
the design process and account for the results in design decision-making.
Analysis can include energy simulation of efficiency opportunities, application
of past energy simulation analyses for similar projects to the project, or
application of published data from energy analyses performed for similar
projects to the project (such as AEDGs).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#76923C"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#76923C">A minimum of six energy efficiency measures focused on load
reduction strategies appropriate for the facility must be analyzed. This analysis
must be performed during the schematic design phase.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#76923C"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#76923C">A minimum of three energy efficiency measures focused on HVAC
related strategies must be analyzed (passive measures are acceptable). This
analysis must be performed before the conclusion of the design development
phase.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#76923C"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#76923C">The results of the analysis must be summarized in a brief report
or memorandum.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">The next version of LEED will be going out for public comment
again in July, I think, so please comment formally as well as discussing here.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:green">Marcus Sheffer</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:green">Energy Opportunities, Inc/a 7group Company</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#1F497D">1200 E Camping Area Road, Wellsville, PA 17365</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#1F497D"><a href="tel:717-292-2636" value="+17172922636" target="_blank">717-292-2636</a>, </span><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:sheffer@sevengroup.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:7.5pt">sheffer@sevengroup.com</span></a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#1F497D"><a href="http://www.sevengroup.com" target="_blank">www.sevengroup.com</a></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
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<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> John Aulbach
[mailto:<a href="mailto:jra_sac@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jra_sac@yahoo.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 12, 2011 7:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Carol Gardner; Marcus Sheffer<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Energy Model Cost</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">OK, Carol..now you threw the "bait" out
there..older than dirt, eh?</p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I have done very limited LEED "type" modeling
where you compare 20 walls and 40 windows types (well, it seemed that
way). Correct me if I am wrong, but a Base model must be built to comply
with a certain level of ASHRAE 90.1 (now up to 2010 ??). With all of the
nuisances of eQuest 3.64, I am going to build the model from scrathc and put in
all the relevant baseline data in by hand. And, by the way, the ASHRAE
baseline model might be an entirely different system. I am just completing
an EPACT evaluation (ASHRAE 90.1-2001) and the Baseline HVAC was screwe
chillers, whereas the Actual building was packaged units with Turbocor
compressors (ask me how I did that).</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">It very much depends on the complexity of the building. A
40,000 sf office or a 500,000 sf hotel with casino facilites.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I am unfamiliar with the LEED paperwork to be filled out
after the modeling has been done. But I would not do anything of this type in
under 120 hours, preferably 160 hours. If the client thinks he can do better,
let him.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Contingency, contingency.</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We won't discuss how old CAROL might be..</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">John A.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Carol Gardner
<<a href="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com" target="_blank">cmg750@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:sheffer@energyopportunities.com" target="_blank">sheffer@energyopportunities.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thu, May 12, 2011 2:59:12 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Energy Model Cost<br>
</span><br>
Marcus,<br>
<br>
You have inadvertently hit upon why IBPSA worked with ASHRAE to create a BEMP
certification. That's Building Energy Modeling Professional (BEMP). <br>
<br>
Some of us who have been in the field for awhile began to worry a couple of
years ago when so many new energy modelers began appearing on the listserv with
questions. Their questions indicated a lack of training and experience that was
worrisome. What made it worrisome was that they didn't seem to realize that
they were as inexperienced as they were; they didn't appear to be pursuing
training to learn how to do what they were doing; and we were uncertain as to
how or if they were practicing quality control. We hoped that by creating a
path to certification that we would give clients one more qualification to look
for in their modelers.<br>
<br>
If you have been in this industry for any length of time, and by industry I
mean the overall construction industry, you know that you don't get a lot of
chances if your work doesn't pan out. If your energy model says I have a LEED
Gold building and I'm going to save $4,000/year and what I really get is LEED
Silver and $1,000/year, I am not going to be happy. So, I will probably not
give you any more work but, even worse for all of us, I'll start expressing
doubts about the whole process. LEED - what is it good for?<br>
<br>
So, now we all have more training, right? We read our ASHRAE Handbooks and
technical manuals so we know how to model the difficult stuff. We can find any
topic in the DOE2 Manuals, all of which are one line, available, and easily
searchable. <br>
<br>
So now we are so good we can do these models in 40-80 hours. Really? Not me and
I've been doing it longer than everyone, except you, John Aulbach. So I'm going
to join Marcus in his rant because he's on to something.<br>
<br>
It's up to us to not under bid this work. It's up to us to educate our clients
about the importance of quality in this process. If they think they are getting
the same analysis in 40 hours that they used to get in 120 hours, they need to
be led around to rethinking that and to be reminded that GIGO.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Carol<br>
<br>
<br>
Thu, May 12, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Marcus Sheffer <<a href="mailto:sheffer@energyopportunities.com" target="_blank">sheffer@energyopportunities.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">In our experience a final model,
done right, would take about 80 hours.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">WARNING – frustrated modeling
rant to follow:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Doing just a final model however
completely misses the point as to why we model – it is to guide design
decisions! </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">If I saw this RFP and all it
asked me for was a model to determine LEED points, during or after design, I
would try to educate the potential client about the purpose of modeling.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Unfortunately too many projects
pursuing LEED are only doing the minimum when it comes to modeling and almost
completely missing all the benefits. Too often the “market” transforms
only based on a least first cost denominator basis that results in little real
transformation. Doing models to determine LEED points does not transform
the market, save any energy, and just circumvents the purpose behind LEED. (the
next version actually requires design phase modeling!)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Any “modeler” who does only
final models without attempting to explain to the owner why this is a bad idea
should be “drummed out of the corp” in my humble opinion.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The problem is that if you
respond to this RFP with 120 or 160 or more hours to really do the design phase
modeling right, you will go up against the “modeler” who claims to be able to
do it in far less time. So how do we get the folks who issue the RFPs to
ask for a proper scope of work so that they can compare fees on a level playing
field? It is unfortunate that we are even having a discussion about doing
modeling work in opposition to its purpose.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Sorry for the rant but I feel
better now. </span><span style="font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">J</span><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:green">Marcus Sheffer</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:green">Energy
Opportunities, Inc/a 7group Company</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#1F497D">1200 E Camping
Area Road, Wellsville, PA 17365</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#1F497D"><a href="tel:717-292-2636" value="+17172922636" target="_blank">717-292-2636</a>, </span><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:sheffer@sevengroup.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:7.5pt">sheffer@sevengroup.com</span></a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#1F497D"><a href="http://www.sevengroup.com/" target="_blank">www.sevengroup.com</a></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Demba Ndiaye<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 12, 2011 4:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Omar Delgado; <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Energy Model Cost</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Omar,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I would expect, for a building this
size, approximately 40 hours (multiply by your hourly rate). The 40 hours
include EAp2/EAc1 LEED documentation, and any review you may have to respond to
later.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Now, given that you have never
done a LEED model, it will take you more time, possibly up to 40 more hours.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">HTH,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">_______________</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Demba NDIAYE</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Omar Delgado<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 12, 2011 7:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Bldg-sim] Energy Model Cost</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Greetings everyone,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I have a question regarding the cost of an energy model for
a LEED project. Every energy model I've done so far has been for </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">existing buildings, mainly for optimization purposes.
However, I received an RFP to model a five-story, 41,500 sq. ft. building</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">that's currently on the design phase and is pursuing the
LEED-NC Silver certification. I really have no idea what would be a fair </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">price for this model since I'm going to have to use Appendix
G (ASHRAE 90.1) to evaluate the difference between the base </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">and proposed buildings. I don't know how much extra effort
this will take. I know the procedure, just haven't done it before.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Can you shed any light on this issue?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks in advance!</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span lang="ES-PR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Papyrus">Omar A. Delgado Colón, P.E., MEnvM., LEED AP BD&C</span></i></p>
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