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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>In our experience a final model,
done right, would take about 80 hours.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>WARNING – frustrated modeling
rant to follow:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Doing just a final model however
completely misses the point as to why we model – it is to guide design
decisions! <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>If I saw this RFP and all it
asked me for was a model to determine LEED points, during or after design, I
would try to educate the potential client about the purpose of modeling.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Unfortunately too many projects
pursuing LEED are only doing the minimum when it comes to modeling and almost
completely missing all the benefits. Too often the “market” transforms only
based on a least first cost denominator basis that results in little real
transformation. Doing models to determine LEED points does not transform the
market, save any energy, and just circumvents the purpose behind LEED. (the
next version actually requires design phase modeling!)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Any “modeler” who does only
final models without attempting to explain to the owner why this is a bad idea should
be “drummed out of the corp” in my humble opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>The problem is that if you
respond to this RFP with 120 or 160 or more hours to really do the design phase
modeling right, you will go up against the “modeler” who claims to be able to
do it in far less time. So how do we get the folks who issue the RFPs to ask
for a proper scope of work so that they can compare fees on a level playing
field? It is unfortunate that we are even having a discussion about doing
modeling work in opposition to its purpose.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Sorry for the rant but I feel
better now. </span><span style='font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span
style='color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:green'>Marcus Sheffer</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:green'>Energy Opportunities, Inc/a 7group Company</span><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>1200 E Camping Area Road, Wellsville, PA 17365</span><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>717-292-2636, </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:sheffer@sevengroup.com"><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>sheffer@sevengroup.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.sevengroup.com">www.sevengroup.com</a></span><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Demba
Ndiaye<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 12, 2011 4:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Omar Delgado; bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Energy Model Cost<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Omar,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I would expect, for a building
this size, approximately 40 hours (multiply by your hourly rate). The 40 hours
include EAp2/EAc1 LEED documentation, and any review you may have to respond to
later.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Now, given that you have never
done a LEED model, it will take you more time, possibly up to 40 more hours.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>HTH,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>_______________<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Demba NDIAYE<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Omar
Delgado<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 12, 2011 7:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Bldg-sim] Energy Model Cost<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Greetings everyone,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>I have a question regarding the cost of an energy model for
a LEED project. Every energy model I've done so far has been for <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>existing buildings, mainly for optimization purposes.
However, I received an RFP to model a five-story, 41,500 sq. ft. building<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>that's currently on the design phase and is pursuing the
LEED-NC Silver certification. I really have no idea what would be a fair <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>price for this model since I'm going to have to use Appendix
G (ASHRAE 90.1) to evaluate the difference between the base <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>and proposed buildings. I don't know how much extra effort
this will take. I know the procedure, just haven't done it before.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Can you shed any light on this issue?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Thanks in advance!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><i><span lang=ES-PR style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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