<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', sans-serif; "><div><div><div>Thanks Paul! I looked up that clause and its very clear that I keep the electric baseboards in. When they say they "shall be modeled identically", I assume they also mean keep the capacities that same, correct?</div><div><br></div><div>Greg</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Helvetica Neue', sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica Neue"><b><br></b></font></span></font></p></div></div></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Paul Riemer <<a href="mailto:Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com">Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:33:54 -0400<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> Greg Leskien <<a href="mailto:greg@zonengineering.com">greg@zonengineering.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> RE: [Bldg-sim] Do I Include Baseboards in the ASHRAE 90.1-1999 Budget Building?<br></div><div><br></div><div xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><style><!--
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Yes you include them. 90.1-1999 11.4.3.k.(2) round about page 59 says if you have two sources use the primary source to determine your system type but the secondary one stays the same between the two models.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Now I have to get back to office bingo. Happy modeling.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(95, 87, 79); font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Paul Riemer, PE, LEED AP</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: rgb(196, 38, 46); font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">DUNHAM<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [<a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Leskien<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 29, 2011 9:21 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Bldg-sim] Do I Include Baseboards in the ASHRAE 90.1-1999 Budget Building?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Good morning,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I'm in the process of carrying out a simulation using a budget building based on ASHRAE 90.1-1999. In the proposed building, 75% of the annual heating load is met by single zone, gas-fired, constant volume roof top units (with DX cooling). The remaining 25% of the annual heating load is met using electric baseboard heaters. The budget building uses system types 11 (packaged rooftop air conditioner, CV, DX, fossil fuel furnace). I'm wondering what to do with the electric baseboards in the budget building. Do I keep them in just as they are in the proposed building (I.e. same capacities), or do I delete them altogether and force the rooftop units to meet 100% of the annual heating load? ASHRAE 90.1-1999 appears to be silent on this issue.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks and kindest regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', serif; ">Greg Leskien, C.E.T.</span></b><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', serif; ">Project Manager | Zon Engineering Inc.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', serif; ">363 Edwin Street | Kitchener ON N2H 4P5</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', serif; ">T: 1-888-338-6363 x702 | F: 1-888-448-2605</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', serif; ">C: 1-519-998-0232 | <a href="mailto:greg@zonengineering.com">greg@zonengineering.com</a> </span> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></span></body></html>