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Hi Gerfried,<br>
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Do you mean KTH Sweden? You said LTH! KTH do some work with Equa
Simulation AB and their system IDA ICE is very promising. The only
item on the list it doesn't tick is the daylighting - and only then
if you want output similar to Radiance. However, if you aren't
interested in a daylight map it does have a fully integrated window
shading and daylight model that interacts with the thermal
simulation at runtime - like E+. To my knowledge, I am not aware
that IES satisfies window shading models that interact with daylight
controls at runtime - perhaps Pete Murray could comment.<br>
<br>
Best regards<br>
<br>
Chris<br>
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On 25/04/2011 18:46, Radler63 wrote:
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<div>Hello,</div>
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<div>we tried out a software named PARASOL, developed by LTH
SWEDEN. but since we wanted to model rollable blinds with
PV-included, adding also a special control agorithm, we did
our own model in python.</div>
<div>by using PARASOL you may do some postprocessing for the
comfort factors. also may point you to Mathcad which allows
to do all at a macroscopic level with the help of some
existing code and WYSIWYG coding.</div>
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<div>best regards</div>
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<div>Gerfried</div>
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<div>Her is the project brief <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="http://www.effiziente.st/sowa_en.htm"
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<div>and here a new questionnaire about building integrated
solar <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/HHNBJ2B"
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Bldg-sim] Modeling
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<p>Hamada,</p>
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<p>I did not mention nor comment on CODYRUN as I am not
familiar with this software.</p>
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<p>jeff</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 25, 2011 4:23 AM<br>
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<div>Dear Prof. Haberl,
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<div>Is that your remarks are addressed directlty to
me ? is what I do understand that you criticize the
software CODYRUN ? If this is not the case, I
apologize to you for that question.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>best regards.</div>
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<div>A. H. Fakra</div>
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<div>Le 25 avr. 11 à 06:49, Jeff Haberl a écrit :</div>
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font-size: 12pt;">Hamada,</span></div>
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<div style="line-height: normal; margin:
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'Times New Roman',serif; color: black;
font-size: 12pt;">Unfortunately,
you've chosen the worst possible
building for analysis. There are
several reasons for this.</span></div>
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<div style="line-height: normal; margin:
0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; color: black;
font-size: 12pt;">First, there is no
single U.S. tool that does an accurate
analysis of what you are asking for.
There are some that perform simplified
analysis of most of the parameters you
are looking for, but none do it all
right (that I’m aware of). Some of the
European codes are getting close, for
example ESPr and/or IES/VE, but each
has its limitations.</span></div>
<div style="line-height: normal; margin:
0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; color: black;
font-size: 12pt;"></span> </div>
<div style="line-height: normal; margin:
0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; color: black;
font-size: 12pt;">To estimate the
thermal analysis with Visual DOE
(i.e., DOE-2.1e) or EQUEST (i.e.,
DOE-2.2) you’d need to have at least
one zone that is conditioned in order
to simulate conditions in an
unconditioned space. So, although it
is possible to perform such a
simulation, you have to go to great
lengths to do this with canned
simulations such as DOE-2.1e and
DOE-2.2. One successful project that
did this for a Buddhist temple was
done by Dr. Sreshthaputra, which you
can read about in:</span></div>
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<div style="line-height: normal;
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0pt 0.25in;"><span style="font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; color: black;
font-size: 12pt;">Sreshthaputra, A.,
Haberl, J., Andrews, M. 2004.
“Improving Building Design and
Operation .of a Thai Buddhist Temple,”<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>Energy
and Buildings</i>, Vol. 36, pp.
481-494.</span></div>
<div style="line-height: normal;
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<div style="line-height: normal;
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0pt 0.25in;"><span style="font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; color: black;
font-size: 12pt;">Or in his thesis:</span></div>
<div style="line-height: normal;
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0pt 0.25in;"><span style="font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; color: black;
font-size: 12pt;"></span> </div>
<div style="line-height: normal;
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0pt 0.25in;"><span style="font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; color: black;
font-size: 12pt;">Atch Sreshthaputra,
2004. “</span><span
style="font-family: 'Times New
Roman',serif; color: black; font-size:
12pt;">Building Design and Operation
for Improving Thermal Comfort in
Naturally Ventilated Buildings in a
Hot and Humid Climate,” Department of
Architecture, Texas A&M
University.</span></div>
<div style="line-height: normal;
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0pt 0.25in;"><span style="font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; color: black;
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<div style="line-height: normal;
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0pt 0.25in;"><span style="font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; color: black;
font-size: 12pt;">In this work, which
was calibrated to real data from the
temple, Atch created a fictitious zone
that did nothing, then proceeded to
model the temple as a unconditioned
zone, which worked with one exception
that it did not handle the air flows.
To get around this Atch ran CFD with a
program that used a 3D model from the
CHAM engine, then passed the airflows
back to DOE-2 each hour to do the run,
which calculated the dynamic heat
transfer, then back to the CFD for the
next hour’s airflow, etc., (taking 24
hours to simulate 24 hours on 2003ish
Pentium, not exactly fast).</span></div>
<div style="line-height: normal;
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0pt 0.25in;"><span style="font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; color: black;
font-size: 12pt;"></span> </div>
<div style="line-height: normal;
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0pt 0.25in;"><span style="font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; color: black;
font-size: 12pt;">Second, you can
probably get an estimate of the
daylighting using DOE-2.1e or DOE-2.2
that should be accurate for and
sidelights if you know the internal
geometry, including surface
characteristics, since they use the
split-flux method. More accurate
daylighting simulations can be done
with RADIANCE or annual simulations
with DAYSIM, or perhaps one of the new
annual variants of RADIANCE.</span></div>
<div style="line-height: normal;
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0pt 0.25in;"><span style="font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; color: black;
font-size: 12pt;"></span> </div>
<div style="line-height: normal;
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0pt 0.25in;"><span style="font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; color: black;
font-size: 12pt;">Third, true
calculations of thermal comfort would
require CFD and a internal radiation
network (should interior surfaces get
hot or cold), which further complicate
things.</span></div>
<div style="line-height: normal;
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0pt 0.25in;"><span style="font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; color: black;
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<div style="line-height: normal;
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0pt 0.25in;"><span style="font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; color: black;
font-size: 12pt;">So, it can be done,
but there are only a few efforts in
the literature that give solid advice
on how to do this, probably more as
time goes on. Getting all this in one
package is probably not there yet.
Probably still a good topic for a
Ph.D. thesis.</span></div>
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Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 10:47:20 +0530
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Dear All,<br>
<br>
Can you please suggest the best
modeling tool which has the
capabilities to perform Daylight
simulation, Thermal comfort analysis
in non AC spaces of a building and
Energy simulation.<br>
<br>
I am using dialux for daylight
simulation, Visual Doe for Energy
simulation and Transys for Thermal
comfort analysis. I am inputting the
same details thrice in different
softwares. So is there any software
which can perform all the 3 analysis
in one go.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Rathnashree
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<div>Hello Rathmashree,</div>
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<div>I suggest you use CODYRUN. Is a
french software dedicated to both
research and consulting firms. You
can make the 3 studies (Energy
simulation, Daylight and thermal
confort).that you want at the same
time. For more information about
this software, you can write to
Professor Harry Boyer (Founder of
the software) to this mail : <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:harry.boyer@univ-reunion.fr"
target="_blank">harry.boyer@univ-reunion.fr</a> </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>PhD / Engineer A. H. Fakra</div>
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