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<p style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Hamada,
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<p style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Unfortunately, you've chosen the worst possible building for
analysis. There are several reasons for this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">First, there is no single U.S. tool that does an accurate analysis
of what you are asking for. There are some that perform simplified analysis of most of the parameters you are looking for, but none do it all right (that I’m aware of). Some of the European codes are getting close, for example ESPr and/or IES/VE, but each
has its limitations. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">To estimate the thermal analysis with Visual DOE (i.e., DOE-2.1e)
or EQUEST (i.e., DOE-2.2) you’d need to have at least one zone that is conditioned in order to simulate conditions in an unconditioned space. So, although it is possible to perform such a simulation, you have to go to great lengths to do this with canned simulations
such as DOE-2.1e and DOE-2.2. One successful project that did this for a Buddhist temple was done by Dr. Sreshthaputra, which you can read about in:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">Sreshthaputra, A., Haberl, J., Andrews, M. 2004. “Improving Building Design and Operation .of a Thai
Buddhist Temple,” <i>Energy and Buildings</i>, Vol. 36, pp. 481-494. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">Or in his thesis:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Atch Sreshthaputra, 2004. “</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: Batang">Building
Design and Operation for Improving Thermal Comfort in Naturally Ventilated Buildings in a Hot and Humid Climate,” Department of Architecture, Texas A&M University.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: Batang">In this work, which was calibrated to real data from the temple, Atch created a fictitious zone that did nothing, then proceeded to model the
temple as a unconditioned zone, which worked with one exception that it did not handle the air flows. To get around this Atch ran CFD with a program that used a 3D model from the CHAM engine, then passed the airflows back to DOE-2 each hour to do the run,
which calculated the dynamic heat transfer, then back to the CFD for the next hour’s airflow, etc., (taking 24 hours to simulate 24 hours on 2003ish Pentium, not exactly fast).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: Batang">Second, you can probably get an estimate of the daylighting using DOE-2.1e or DOE-2.2 that should be accurate for and sidelights if you know
the internal geometry, including surface characteristics, since they use the split-flux method. More accurate daylighting simulations can be done with RADIANCE or annual simulations with DAYSIM, or perhaps one of the new annual variants of RADIANCE.
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<span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: Batang">Third, true calculations of thermal comfort would require CFD and a internal radiation network (should interior surfaces get hot or cold), which
further complicate things.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: Batang">So, it can be done, but there are only a few efforts in the literature that give solid advice on how to do this, probably more as time goes
on. Getting all this in one package is probably not there yet. Probably still a good topic for a Ph.D. thesis.</span></p>
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Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 10:47:20 +0530 (IST)<br>
From: Rathna Shree <<a href="mailto:rathnashreep@yahoo.in" target="_blank">rathnashreep@yahoo.in</a>><br>
To: bldg <<a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>
Subject: [Bldg-sim] Modeling tool for daylight, Energy,<span style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class="Apple-tab-span">
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Dear All,<br>
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Can you please suggest the best modeling tool which has the capabilities to perform Daylight simulation, Thermal comfort analysis in non AC spaces of a building and Energy simulation.<br>
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I am using dialux for daylight simulation, Visual Doe for Energy simulation and Transys for Thermal comfort analysis. I am inputting the same details thrice in different softwares. So is there any software which can perform all the 3 analysis in one go.<br>
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Regards,<br>
Rathnashree
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<div>Hello Rathmashree,</div>
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<div>I suggest you use CODYRUN. Is a french software dedicated to both research and consulting firms. You can make the 3 studies (Energy simulation, Daylight and thermal confort).that you want at the same time. For more information about this software, you
can write to Professor Harry Boyer (Founder of the software) to this mail : <a href="mailto:harry.boyer@univ-reunion.fr" target="_blank">harry.boyer@univ-reunion.fr</a> </div>
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<div>PhD / Engineer A. H. Fakra</div>
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