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<DIV>Hello,</DIV>
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<DIV>we tried out a software named PARASOL, developed by LTH SWEDEN. but since
we wanted to model rollable blinds with PV-included, adding also a special
control agorithm, we did our own model in python.</DIV>
<DIV>by using PARASOL you may do some postprocessing for the comfort
factors. also may point you to Mathcad which allows to do all at a
macroscopic level with the help of some existing code and WYSIWYG coding.</DIV>
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<DIV>best regards</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Gerfried</DIV>
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<DIV>Her is the project brief <A title=http://www.effiziente.st/sowa_en.htm
href="http://www.effiziente.st/sowa_en.htm">http://www.effiziente.st/sowa_en.htm</A></DIV>
<DIV>and here a new questionnaire about building integrated solar <A
title=http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/HHNBJ2B
href="http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/HHNBJ2B">http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/HHNBJ2B</A></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jhaberl@tamu.edu
href="mailto:jhaberl@tamu.edu">Jeff Haberl</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 25, 2011 6:55 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=fakra@univ-reunion.fr
href="mailto:fakra@univ-reunion.fr">ali hamada fakra</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Bldg-sim] Bldg-sim] Modeling tool for daylight,
Energy, Thermal comfort analysis</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P>Hamada,</P>
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<P>I did not mention nor comment on CODYRUN as I am not familiar with this
software.</P>
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<P>jeff</P>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Tahoma>8=! 8=) :=)
8=) ;=) 8=) 8=( 8=) 8=() 8=) 8=|
8=) :=') 8=)8=?<BR><BR>Jeff S. Haberl, Ph.D.,P.E.,
FASHRAE..............jhaberl@tamu.edu<BR><BR>Professor............................................................Office
Ph: 979-845-6507<BR><BR>Department of
Architecture.............................Lab Ph:979-845-6065<BR><BR>Energy
Systems Laboratory.............................FAX: 979-862-2457<BR><BR>Texas
A&M University.....................................77843-3581<BR><BR>College
Station, Texas, USA,
77843..................URL:www.esl.tamu.edu<BR><BR>8=/ 8=) :=)
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face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> ali hamada fakra
[fakra@univ-reunion.fr]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 25, 2011 4:23
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Jeff Haberl<BR><B>Cc:</B>
bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Bldg-sim] Bldg-sim]
Modeling tool for daylight, Energy, Thermal comfort
analysis<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Dear Prof. Haberl,
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<DIV>Is that your remarks are addressed directlty to me ? is what I do
understand that you criticize the software CODYRUN ? If this is not the case, I
apologize to you for that question.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>best regards.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>A. H. Fakra</DIV>
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<DIV>Le 25 avr. 11 à 06:49, Jeff Haberl a écrit :</DIV><BR
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<DIV style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Unfortunately,
you've chosen the worst possible building for analysis. There are several
reasons for this.</SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">First,
there is no single U.S. tool that does an accurate analysis of what you are
asking for. There are some that perform simplified analysis of most of the
parameters you are looking for, but none do it all right (that I’m aware of).
Some of the European codes are getting close, for example ESPr and/or IES/VE,
but each has its limitations.</SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">To
estimate the thermal analysis with Visual DOE (i.e., DOE-2.1e) or EQUEST
(i.e., DOE-2.2) you’d need to have at least one zone that is conditioned in
order to simulate conditions in an unconditioned space. So, although it is
possible to perform such a simulation, you have to go to great lengths to do
this with canned simulations such as DOE-2.1e and DOE-2.2. One successful
project that did this for a Buddhist temple was done by Dr. Sreshthaputra,
which you can read about in:</SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV
style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Sreshthaputra,
A., Haberl, J., Andrews, M. 2004. “Improving Building Design and Operation .of
a Thai Buddhist Temple,”<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><I>Energy and Buildings</I>, Vol. 36,
pp. 481-494.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV
style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Or
in his thesis:</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV
style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Atch
Sreshthaputra, 2004. “</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Building
Design and Operation for Improving Thermal Comfort in Naturally Ventilated
Buildings in a Hot and Humid Climate,” Department of Architecture, Texas
A&M University.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV
style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">In
this work, which was calibrated to real data from the temple, Atch created a
fictitious zone that did nothing, then proceeded to model the temple as a
unconditioned zone, which worked with one exception that it did not handle the
air flows. To get around this Atch ran CFD with a program that used a 3D model
from the CHAM engine, then passed the airflows back to DOE-2 each hour to do
the run, which calculated the dynamic heat transfer, then back to the CFD for
the next hour’s airflow, etc., (taking 24 hours to simulate 24 hours on
2003ish Pentium, not exactly fast).</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV
style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Second,
you can probably get an estimate of the daylighting using DOE-2.1e or DOE-2.2
that should be accurate for and sidelights if you know the internal geometry,
including surface characteristics, since they use the split-flux method. More
accurate daylighting simulations can be done with RADIANCE or annual
simulations with DAYSIM, or perhaps one of the new annual variants of
RADIANCE.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV
style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Third,
true calculations of thermal comfort would require CFD and a internal
radiation network (should interior surfaces get hot or cold), which further
complicate things.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV
style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">So,
it can be done, but there are only a few efforts in the literature that give
solid advice on how to do this, probably more as time goes on. Getting all
this in one package is probably not there yet. Probably still a good topic for
a Ph.D. thesis.</SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Jeff</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Tahoma>8=! 8=) :=)
8=) ;=) 8=) 8=( 8=) 8=() 8=)
8=| 8=) :=') 8=)8=?<BR><BR>Jeff S. Haberl, Ph.D.,P.E.,
FASHRAE..............<A href="mailto:jhaberl@tamu.edu"
target=_blank>jhaberl@tamu.edu</A><BR><BR>Professor............................................................Office
Ph: 979-845-6507<BR><BR>Department of
Architecture.............................Lab Ph:979-845-6065<BR><BR>Energy
Systems Laboratory.............................FAX: 979-862-2457<BR><BR>Texas
A&M
University.....................................77843-3581<BR><BR>College
Station, Texas, USA, 77843..................URL:<A
href="http://www.esl.tamu.edu"
target=_blank>www.esl.tamu.edu</A><BR><BR>8=/ 8=) :=)
8=) ;=) 8=) 8=() 8=) :=) 8=)
8=! 8=) 8=? 8=)8=0<BR></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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face=Tahoma><B>From:</B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"
target=_blank>bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</A><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>[<A
href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"
target=_blank>bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</A>] on behalf of ali
hamada fakra [<A href="mailto:fakra@univ-reunion.fr"
target=_blank>fakra@univ-reunion.fr</A>]<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Thursday, April 21, 2011 11:32
PM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org"
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<DIV>Message: 2</DIV>Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 10:47:20 +0530 (IST)<BR>From:
Rathna Shree <<A href="mailto:rathnashreep@yahoo.in"
target=_blank>rathnashreep@yahoo.in</A>><BR>To: bldg <<A
href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org"
target=_blank>bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</A>><BR>Subject: [Bldg-sim]
Modeling tool for daylight, Energy,<SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"
class=Apple-tab-span> </SPAN>Thermal<BR><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"
class=Apple-tab-span></SPAN>comfort analysis<BR>Message-ID: <<A
href="mailto:935834.21570.qm@web95906.mail.in.yahoo.com"
target=_blank>935834.21570.qm@web95906.mail.in.yahoo.com</A>><BR>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR><BR>Dear All,<BR><BR>Can you please suggest the
best modeling tool which has the capabilities to perform Daylight simulation,
Thermal comfort analysis in non AC spaces of a building and Energy
simulation.<BR><BR>I am using dialux for daylight simulation, Visual Doe for
Energy simulation and Transys for Thermal comfort analysis. I am inputting the
same details thrice in different softwares. So is there any software which can
perform all the 3 analysis in one go.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR>Rathnashree
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<DIV>Hello Rathmashree,</DIV>
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<DIV>I suggest you use CODYRUN. Is a french software dedicated to both
research and consulting firms. You can make the 3 studies (Energy simulation,
Daylight and thermal confort).that you want at the same time. For more
information about this software, you can write to Professor Harry Boyer
(Founder of the software) to this mail : <A
href="mailto:harry.boyer@univ-reunion.fr"
target=_blank>harry.boyer@univ-reunion.fr</A> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best regards,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>PhD / Engineer A. H. Fakra</DIV>
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