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Hi David,<br><br>Thanks for your help. I've attached the sensitivity results for the six simulations in the excel file, which shows the trend, and the input files. Do you know of any good references for thermal mass behavior?<br><br>Thanks,<br>Hayes<br><br><hr id="stopSpelling">Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Optimizing Thermal Mass in Design Builder<br>From: david@d-n-a-design.com<br>Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 07:01:56 -0700<br>To: hzirnhelt@hotmail.com<br><br><div>Depends on you model, climate, many many things. Can you post your model? I've found energyplus to be very good at mass modeling with appropriate results. A highy insulated south facing zone in a heating climate will like a lot more mass than other models. Mass with direct solar acts very differently than other conditions. To check designbuilder, export your model and review in detail using openstudio and text editor. </div><div><br></div><div>David<br><br>On Mar 14, 2011, at 19:25, Hayes Zirnhelt <<a href="mailto:hzirnhelt@hotmail.com">hzirnhelt@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote><div>
<span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12pt;"><div><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">Hi,</span></div></span><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">I am looking for some feedback on thermal mass optimization for passive solar in </span><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px;">DesignBuilder/ EnergyPlus.</span><div><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12pt;"><br></span><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">I attempted a basic sensitivity analysis for thermal mass optimization for a very basic passive solar design (one south facing window, lots of insulation, all assemblies with interior concrete thermal mass). I modelled this concept using DesignBuilder with various concrete thicknesses (5cm to 50cm) but keeping the envelope U value, and all other parameters constant. I used the CTF algorithm. The annual simulation results indicate that increasing thermal mass past 20cm continues to decrease heating energy consumption, in a somewhat linear fashion. Even more unusual, was that the savings from going with 30cm compared to 20, was much greater than that achieved by the change from 10cm to 20cm. </span><div><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12pt;"><br></span></div><div><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">This does not match with the literature I have read, which suggest that this relationship should be a negative exponential decay (continuous diminishing energy savings with each added thickness). Many guidelines suggest that savings plateau at 20cm of thermal mass (as concrete).</span><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12pt;"><br></span><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12pt;"><br></span><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">Is this a problem with EnergyPlus? Or DesignBuilder? Any suggestions?</span><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12pt;"><br></span><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12pt;"><br></span><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">Thanks for your time,</span><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12pt;"><br></span><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12pt;"><br></span><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">Hayes Zirnhelt</span><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12pt;"><br></span><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">M.A.Sc Candidate, RU Building Science</span><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12pt;"><br></span><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">B.A.Sc Integrated Engineering</span><br><br></div></div>
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