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Sorry Nick, my bad regarding the tangent. What you've described in
eQuest seems synonymous with the NoMass material in Energyplus.<br>
<br>
Perhaps I can bring it a little bit back on topic. Jeff mentions the
use of Air walls to model existing buildings. However, if you know
where all the partitions are in an <i>existing</i> building don't
they introduce artificial boundaries?<br>
<br>
Chris<br>
<br>
On 08/02/2011 19:10, Nick Caton wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">This thread appears to have tangented into 3+
different
directions… if you have a new inquiry please start a new
email
chain =)!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">Fransisco – you should refine your questions by
specifying
which program you intend to use, or if your inquiry is of
the “is there a
program that can do this?” variety. Air walls <u>in eQuest</u>/<u>DOE2</u>
behave as Suwon is describing. They are a type of interior
partition and
will not model heat transfer to the exterior, regardless of
their geometrical
location.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">Chris – I use eQuest/DOE2 primarily. Please
refer to
recent discussion on [eQuest-users] where I attempted to sum
up air wall
behavior in both layman’s and complex terms (discussion
attached). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">To my understanding DOE2/eQuest models do not
model heat transfer
explicitly by either convection or radiation – all heat
movement within
the model is calculated as a series of direct (conductive)
transfers between
zone surfaces (interior and exterior) on an hourly basis.
Air walls are
unique type of surface in that they have zero mass but a
relatively low
conductivity (by default, approximately the same as a single
layer of 3/8”
Gypsum), however this value can be modified as may be
desired. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">To Rohini – My existing model calibration
experience is
probably limited relative to others contributing – but I can
share the
general observation/advice that your models can only ever be
as accurate as
your gathered data, or lack thereof. An important corollary
I want to
emphasize is that models ultimately serve a purpose, and
that it’s
important at the beginning of any project to identify that
endgame. Sometimes
it’s getting LEED points, sometimes it’s advising new or
retrofit
design for existing envelopes, HVAC, and/or lighting,
sometimes it’s
because there’s academics who simply want a model they can
pick up after
you to tweak to perfection as time goes on… <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">Defining where the model is headed in terms of
intent will permit
you to define a degree/deadband of acceptable accuracy.
Without doing so,
you may lose sanity/sleep to the beast before realizing you
don’t have a
finish line defined.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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73, 125);">~Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt;
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Francisco
Massucci<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 08, 2011 10:14 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Modelling for retrofit
ECM's<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Is it possible to simulate an open door
or a open
window in a face with outdoors boundary conditions? (only
calculating
heat loss or gains to the enviroment). Example: If I apply a
"infrared
transparent' in a exterior window, does it works as a open
window, for energy
balance calculation?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Sorry about my english.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Francisco
Massucci<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:14 PM,
songsuwon <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ssw1007@hotmail.com">ssw1007@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all,<br>
<br>
<br>
In DOE-2 program, "air wall" is a type of interior
walls without thermal mass effect, only for thermal
resistance(0.9
hr-ft2-F/btu) between zones. I think other similar
simulation
programs have also the same function. <br>
<br>
Suwon Song <br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 09:40:22 -0200<br>
From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:massucci@gmail.com" target="_blank">massucci@gmail.com</a><br>
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org"
target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><br>
Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Modelling for retrofit ECM's<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> I would like to add a question
to the list:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - Air wall works the same when
apllied in a between
zones face or in an outdoor face?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Francisco Massucci<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 6:24 AM,
Chris Yates <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:chris.malcolm.yates@gmail.com"
target="_blank">chris.malcolm.yates@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Dear Jeff,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"><br>
You mention the use of "Real walls or <b><u>air
walls</u></b>"
between zones in your post. I feel this raises a
question on this list that
I've already enquired on this list. I apologise
for raising the issue once
more, however I did not feel that the discussion
resulted in a clear conclusion
of how various simulation programs may treat
"Air walls" or
"virtual partitions".</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><br>
I hope you don't mind me asking: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">what programs do you use mainly?</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">under normal modelling practice, how
would these programs treat "air walls" with
respect to</span>:<o:p></o:p></li>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-size: 7pt; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Conduction</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Long-wave radiation</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Short-wave radiation</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Air flow</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal">Many thanks<br>
<br>
Chris<span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 05/02/2011 22:04, Jeff
Haberl wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";
color: black;">ALSO: </span><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";
color: black;">Here are a few
papers that shed light on the ELF/OLF
proxy method and other findings, somewhat
dated but useful:</span><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 7pt; color: black;"> </span><span
style="font-size: 9pt; color: black;">Haberl,
J., Komor, P. 1990.
“Improving Commercial Building Energy
Audits: How Daily and Hourly
Consumption Data Can Help,” <i>ASHRAE
Journal, </i>Vol. 32, No. 9, pp. 26
- 36 (September). </span><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 7pt; color: black;"> </span><span
style="font-size: 9pt; color: black;">Haberl,
J., Komor, P. 1990.
“Improving Commercial Building Energy
Audits: How Annual and Monthly
Consumption Data Can Help,” <i>ASHRAE
Journal,</i> Vol. 32, No. 8, pp. 26
- 33 (August).</span><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";
color: black;">Haberl, J.,
Komor, P. 1989. “Status Report on Methods
for Using Hourly, Daily and
Monthly Data to Provide Useful Information
on Building Energy Use,”
submitted to the New Jersey Energy
Conservation Lab, Center for Energy and
Environmental Studies at Princeton
University, Princeton, New Jersey (May).</span><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";
color: black;">Haberl, J.,
Komor, P. 1989. “Investigating An
Analytical Basis for Improving
Commercial Building Energy Audits: Early
Results from a New Jersey Mall,”
<i>Thermal Performance of the Exterior
Envelopes of Buildings IV,</i> ASHRAE,
Atlanta, Georgia, pp. 302 - 331
(December). </span><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: black;"
lang="PT-BR">Haberl, J., Komor, P.,
Haberl, J. 1989. </span><span
style="font-size: 9pt; color: black;">“Investigating
An
Analytical Basis for Improving Commercial
Building Energy Audits: Results
from a New Jersey Mall,” Center for Energy
and Environmental Studies
Report No. 264 (June).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: black;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";
color: black;">Rohini,</span><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"><br>
<br>
</span><span style="font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";
color: black;">Zoning a
building is still an art form. There
are very few papers that have looked
into
this with any rigor. </span><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"><br>
<br>
</span><span style="font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";
color: black;">In one thesis
we did on the Zachry building, which
was the basis for the Predictor
Shootout I
and II, we looked at 1, 2, 5 and
actual zoning on the building. What
we saw was
that, in general, the centroid of
the "cloud" of data points remained
about the same. However, the scatter
in the cloud became more pronounced
at we added more zones.</span><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"><br>
<br>
</span><span style="font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";
color: black;">So, if all
the zones in the floor are being
operated the same, I'd use 1, 2 or 5
zones per
floor, depending on the functions of
what's going on in each zone. Real
walls
or air walls between the zones
usually get the job done.</span><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"><br>
<br>
</span><span style="font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";
color: black;">The quickest
way to get the light and receptacle
loads on a real building is using
"blink" tests, which can be done on
a Saturday, with walkie talkies,
and a data logger on the
whole-building electric feed,
possibly some sub feeds.
I first heard of this test from Todd
Taylor at PNNL. We've used it to
help
resolved motor loads, lighting
loads, receptacles, etc. Seems to
work pretty
well. </span><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"><br>
<br>
</span><span style="font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";
color: black;">There are
also several ways to get the plug
loads, including: by proxy, by
weather-day-type profiles, by daily
readings, and a method that uses an
energy
balance. The proxy methods can use
square proxies for for the occupancy
based
on OLF/ELF ratios, the
weather-day-type method was
something that I heard about
from Don Hadley at PNNL, later
adopted by Bou Saada on the
Forrestal building
and daycare center. The daily
readings are just that, read the
main meter by
eye, daily, especially during
weather independent times. The
energy balance
method is documented in papers by
Claridge et al. at the ESL.</span><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"><br>
<br>
</span><span style="font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";
color: black;">There is also
some encouraging work being done by
Abushakra and Reddy on ASHRAE RP
1404, now
in progress and scheduled for
completion later this year. This is
based on
previous work by Abushakra for his
Ph.D. thesis.</span><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"><br>
<br>
</span><span style="font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";
color: black;">Hope this
helps.</span><span style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"><br>
<br>
</span><span style="font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";
color: black;">Jeff</span><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"> <br>
</span><span style="font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";
color: black;">PS: here are
some helpful papers:</span><span
style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"><br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";
color: black;">Song, S., Haberl,
J. 2008. “A Procedure for the
Performance Evaluation of a New
Commercial
Building: Part I – Calibrated
As-built Simulation”, <i>ASHRAE
Transactions-Research, </i>Vol.
114, Pt. 2, pp. 375-388 (June ). </span><span
style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";
color: black;">Song, S., Haberl,
J. 2008. “A Procedure for the
Performance Evaluation of a New
Commercial
Building: Part II – Overall
Methodology and Comparison of
Results”, <i>ASHRAE
Transactions-Research, </i>Vol.
114, Pt. 2, pp.
389 – 403 (June).</span><span
style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";
color: black;">Claridge, D.,
Abushakra, B., Haberl, J. 2003.
“Electricity Diversity Profiles
for
Energy Simulation of Office
Buildings (1093-RP),” <i>ASHRAE
Transactions-Research,</i> Vol.
110, Pt. 1 (February), pp.
365-377.</span><span
style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 9pt; color:
black;" lang="FR">Haberl, J.,
Bou-Saada, T.
1998. </span><span
style="font-size: 9pt; color:
black;">“Procedures for
Calibrating Hourly Simulation
Models to Measured Building Energy
and
Environmental Data,” <i>ASME
Journal of Solar Energy
Engineering</i>,
Vol. 120, pp. 193 - 204 (August).
</span><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 9pt; color:
black;" lang="FR">Haberl, J.,
Bronson, D.,
O'Neal, D. 1995. </span><span
style="font-size: 9pt; color:
black;">“An
Evaluation of the Impact of Using
Measured Weather Data Versus TMY
Weather Data
in a DOE-2 Simulation of an
Existing Building in Central
Texas,” <i>ASHRAE
Transactions-Research, </i>Vol.
101, Pt.. 2, pp. 558 - 576 (June).
</span><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";
color: black;">Haberl, J.,
Bronson, D., Hinchey, S., O'Neal,
D. 1993. “Graphical Tools to help
Calibrate the DOE-2 Simulation
Program to Non-weather Dependent
Measured
Loads,” <i>ASHRAE Journal</i>,
Vol. 35, No. 1, pp. 27 - 32
(January).</span><span
style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";
color: black;">Haberl, J.,
MacDonald, M., Eden, A. 1988. “An
Overview of 3-D Graphical Analysis
Using DOE-2 Hourly Simulation
Data,” <i>ASHRAE
Transactions-Research, </i>Vol.
94, Pt. 1, pp. 212 - 227
(January). </span><span
style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 9pt; color:
black;">Kim, K., Haberl, J. 2010.
“Development of a Calibration
Methodology for Code-Complaint
Simulation
With Results From Using a
Case-Study House in a Hot and
Humid
Climate”, <i>Proceedings of the
17th Symposium on Improving
Building Systems in Hot and
Humid Climates,</i> Texas
A&M University,
Austin, Texas, accepted for
publication (May).</span><span
style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";
color: black;">Bronson, D.,
Hinchey, S., Haberl, J., O'Neal,
D. 1992. “A Procedure for
Calibrating
the DOE-2 Simulation Program to
Non-Weather Dependent Loads,” <i>ASHRAE
Transactions-Research,
</i>Vol. 98, Pt. 1, pp. 636 - 652
(January).</span><span
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font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February
05, 2011 12:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> R B<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim]
Modelling for retrofit ECM's</span><span
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style="font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";
color: black;">Hi
Rohini, </span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";
color: black;">When
you are bill matching there
are not magical ways of doing
things. You pretty
much have to put what's in the
building in your model. Those
things you can
control. The tricky part is to
figure out how the building is
really being
operated and to get the most
accurate weather data you can
for your site.</span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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color: black;">On
Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 8:34 AM,
R B <<a
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target="_blank">slv3sat@gmail.com</a>>
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clear="all">
</span><span
style="font-family:
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color: black;">Hi All, </span><span
style="color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";
color: black;">While
modelling existing
building (with calibration
to utility bill), do you
model
every VAV zone or lump
similar ones together?
What could be possible
disadvantages of lumping
down the road? Any ECM's
that will be affected by
this
simplification?</span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";
color: black;">Is
there a magical way to
figure the W/sqft for
lighting and plug loads
without
having to count everything
on site? </span><span
style="color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";
color: black;">Thanks
for any insights.</span><span
style="color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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