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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=482330804-14122010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>GBCI does not certify software; they require it meets the
requirements of 90.1 and 140. As such, the VE (and other tools) are
acceptable by USGBC.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2 face=Arial><A
href="http://www.iesve.com/content/kb/FAQ-VE-Approved_For_LEED.pdf">http://www.iesve.com/content/kb/FAQ-VE-Approved_For_LEED.pdf</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=482330804-14122010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>The VE is also acceptable for EPACT tax
credits.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2 face=Arial><A
href="http://www.iesve.com/content/kb/FAQ-VE-Approved_For_LEED.pdf">http://www.iesve.com/content/kb/FAQ-VE-Approved_For_LEED.pdf</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Ellis,
David<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 13, 2010 2:38 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Tim
Johnson<BR><B>Cc:</B> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Bldg-sim] IES-VE Evaluation<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">We’ve
recently formed an energy services group, and I wanted to employ any tool that
would enhance production. The IES software is very attractive, with their new
offering of a “PRM Navigator” (LEED analysis guidance), but there are
limitations you should be aware of:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 3pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2"
class=MsoListParagraph><![if !supportLists]><SPAN
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</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><![endif]><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
software is costly<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 3pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2"
class=MsoListParagraph><![if !supportLists]><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><SPAN
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</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><![endif]><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">At
this point, it cannot handle anything other than a flat utility rate schedule,
which is not real world<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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class=MsoListParagraph><![if !supportLists]><SPAN
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</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><![endif]><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">It
is not user extensible<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 3pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2"
class=MsoListParagraph><![if !supportLists]><SPAN
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</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><![endif]><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">To
integrate the process with Revit, you have to enforce modeling standards on
architectural designers, who tend to have bad practices<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 3pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2"
class=MsoListParagraph><![if !supportLists]><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><SPAN
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</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><![endif]><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">There
are some systems which cannot be modeled, such as thermal storage (without item
2 above corrected, the benefit of thermal storage, if available, would be
missed)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 3pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2"
class=MsoListParagraph><![if !supportLists]><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">6.<SPAN
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</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><![endif]><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
PRM navigator (LEED Analysis) only spins out a 90.1-2007 baseline
model<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 6pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Having
said that, we are employing the tool to see if it does provide some benefit. The
CFD analysis looks promising, and there may be additional tools (such as
Trelligence) that might be of benefit that use IES, although we’ve had to switch
a large project from IES to eQuest due to items 2, 5 and 6 above. The LEED
guidance package is very nice, and it does create voluminous reports, so
you can spin out results for spreadsheet analysis if desired (which is what they
recommend to overcome item 2 above). There are other nice modules, which you are
probably aware of as well. One thing to keep in mind, is that the IES software,
while certified by the ASHRAE 140 standard, to my knowledge has not been
officially acknowledged as being acceptable by GBCI.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 6pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I’m
cautiously optimistic that the EnergyPlus user interface promised out in Spring
(now Summer) will prove to be as useful as the eQuest interface for DOE2.
If so, then I would expect that tool to become the standard in the industry.
It is frustrating, as I was personally involved with trying to
develop an interface for EnergyPlus back before its initial release, and while
it holds great promise for its extensibility, development of interfaces have
been hampered by a continual change in EnergyPlus data structures. I am guessing
that with this funded interface, that the process of changing data structures is
less of a concern.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Dave<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Tim Johnson
[mailto:timj@ctagroup.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 13, 2010 11:41
AM<BR><B>To:</B> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Bldg-sim]
IES-VE Evaluation<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I am an eQuest user
and am looking into IES-VE as an eventual replacement. I am curious if
anyone has been through a comparison like this before and would be willing to
share their opinions. I know there has been some discussion about
this in the past, but it looks like most of the discussions are a few years
old. I want to make sure I am not discounting IES-VE for problems that
have been fixed.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The draw of IES-VE
is the compatibility with revit and its ability to do more than just energy or
daylighting. It seems like having all of the analysis tools in one program
would be very useful.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From reading through
the archives, the drawbacks of this program are the cost and that IES doesn't
allow the user as much flexibility as eQuest of Energy Plus. Can IES-VE
generate the hourly reports that eQuest and Energy Plus
can?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Please let me know
what your thoughts are on these programs. I also hear rumors of AutoDesk
jumping into the mix with Project Vasari and Labs. Does anyone know more
about this?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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vAlign=top align=left><PRE style="mso-element: frame; mso-element-frame-hspace: 2.25pt; mso-element-wrap: around; mso-element-anchor-vertical: paragraph; mso-element-anchor-horizontal: column; mso-height-rule: exactly"><STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: maroon">Tim Johnson</SPAN></STRONG><o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE style="mso-element: frame; mso-element-frame-hspace: 2.25pt; mso-element-wrap: around; mso-element-anchor-vertical: paragraph; mso-element-anchor-horizontal: column; mso-height-rule: exactly"><STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: maroon; FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt">CTA : EIT, LEED AP</SPAN></STRONG> <o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE style="mso-element: frame; mso-element-frame-hspace: 2.25pt; mso-element-wrap: around; mso-element-anchor-vertical: paragraph; mso-element-anchor-horizontal: column; mso-height-rule: exactly"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt">DIRECT: 208.577.5645</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="mso-element: frame; mso-element-frame-hspace: 2.25pt; mso-element-wrap: around; mso-element-anchor-vertical: paragraph; mso-element-anchor-horizontal: column; mso-height-rule: exactly"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="mso-element: frame; mso-element-frame-hspace: 2.25pt; mso-element-wrap: around; mso-element-anchor-vertical: paragraph; mso-element-anchor-horizontal: column; mso-height-rule: exactly"><STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: maroon; FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt">CTA, Inc. </SPAN></STRONG><STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #3e3e3e; FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt">| </SPAN></STRONG><STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #8e0000; FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt"><A href="http://www.ctagroup.com/"><SPAN style="COLOR: #8e0000">www.ctagroup.com</SPAN></A></SPAN></STRONG><o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE style="mso-element: frame; mso-element-frame-hspace: 2.25pt; mso-element-wrap: around; mso-element-anchor-vertical: paragraph; mso-element-anchor-horizontal: column; mso-height-rule: exactly"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #3e3e3e; FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt">1185 W. Grove St. – Boise, ID 83702</SPAN><o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE style="mso-element: frame; mso-element-frame-hspace: 2.25pt; mso-element-wrap: around; mso-element-anchor-vertical: paragraph; mso-element-anchor-horizontal: column; mso-height-rule: exactly"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #3e3e3e; FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt">P: 208.336.4900 – F: 208.343.3531</SPAN><o:p></o:p></PRE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>