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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It seems to me that correlating a child’s body area with heat loss as a direct ratio of an adults heat loss would not account for the significantly higher metabolic rate that children have. Remember there are various heat loss values published for adults depending on their activity level. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'><img width=268 height=80 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01CB9865.3D766800" alt="cid:image003.png@01C9AB43.F0BEE290"></span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'>Robert Gengelbach, PE, LEED</span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D;position:relative;top:-3.0pt;mso-text-raise:3.0pt'>®</span><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'> </span></b><b><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'>AP BD+C<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'>Sustainable Mechanical Design Associates, LLC<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>89 Monroe Center NW<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Suite 302<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Grand Rapids, MI 49503<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>P: (616) 776-9009<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>F: (616) 776-9010<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>C: (616) 570-2329<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="www.sustainablemech.com">www.sustainablemech.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:rgengelbach@sustainablemech.com">rgengelbach@sustainablemech.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:green'>P</span><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span></i></b><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:green'>Please print only if necessary</span></i></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Peter Simmonds<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 10, 2010 12:04 PM<br><b>To:</b> Cramer Silkworth; bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] heat gain of children?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cramer, from my old days of studying thermal comfort I seem to remember a correlation between heat output and body area. I seem to remember that average adults have a body area of 1.68m2 that produce 70W of sensible heat. So if the body area of a child is less than the 1.68m2 then the heat output can be reduced proportionally. I think this is report in Thermal Comfort by Fanger, 1972<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Peter Simmonds, Ph.D. </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'><br></span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:gray'>Senior Associate<br>Head of the Advanced Technology Group<br></span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>IBE Consulting Engineers</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'><br></span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:gray'>14130 Riverside Drive, Suite 201</span></b><span style='color:#1F497D'><br></span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:gray'>Sherman Oaks, CA 91423 <br>p: (818) 377-8220 x246 m: (818) 219-1284 f: (818) 377-8230<br><br></span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'><a href="http://www.ibece.com/" title="http://www.ibece.com/"><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:gray;text-decoration:none'>www.ibece.com</span></a><br></span></b><b><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:gray'>Ideas for the built environment</span></i></b><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Times","serif";color:#1F497D'>This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. 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If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Cramer Silkworth [mailto:silkworth@transsolar.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 10, 2010 8:09 AM<br><b>To:</b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br><b>Subject:</b> [Bldg-sim] heat gain of children?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Hi All,<br><br>Has anyone out there every come across data for the heat gain of children (for cooling load calcs)? I searched the ASHRAE handbooks but didnt find anything, just the usual numbers for adults in the thermal comfort chapter. My current thought is to use the adult numbers adjusted by mass, but if there's real data that'd be great. Any hints would be appreciated.<br><br>-Cramer</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br><b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#666666'>Cramer Silkworth<br>212 219 2255 | <a href="mailto:silkworth@transsolar.com" title="mailto:silkworth@transsolar.com">silkworth@transsolar.com</a><br>Transsolar Inc. | 134 Spring Street Suite 601 | New York, NY 10012<br><br>Transsolar Climate Engineering<br>Technical consulting for energy efficiency and environmental quality in buildings.<br>New York - Stuttgart - Munich</span></b> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></body></html>