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The following web page on the CBE site has information regarding this tool, its development, and a number of related topics:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.cbe.berkeley.edu/research/briefs-thermmodel.htm">http://www.cbe.berkeley.edu/research/briefs-thermmodel.htm</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This tool was used in developing a method that may form the basis for a future National Fenestration Rating Council (NFRC) window comfort rating method, useful to designers, manufacturers, and consumers. Information regarding this project and a detailed 91-page technical paper on the topic are available from the CBE on the following page:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.cbe.berkeley.edu/research/facade_comfort.htm">http://www.cbe.berkeley.edu/research/facade_comfort.htm</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I highly recommend the technical papers on the page and the previous one. I hope you find this helpful.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Timothy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=left width=442 style='width:331.5pt;border-collapse:collapse;margin-bottom:7.75pt'><tr style='page-break-inside:avoid'><td width=66 valign=top style='width:49.5pt;padding:.7pt .7pt .7pt .7pt'><p 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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Cheney<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 06, 2010 10:59 AM<br><b>To:</b> Harding, Ross<br><b>Cc:</b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] EnergyPlus - Meant Radiant Temperature & DirectSolar Gain<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Hi Ross, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>According to Energy Plus engineeringreference " </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>There are three options to calculate mean radiant temperature in the thermal comfort models. One is the zone averaged MRT, another is the surface weighted MRT, and the other is angle factor MRT. The zone averaged MRT is calculated on the assumption that a person is in the center of a space, whereas the surface weighted MRT is calculated in consideration of the surface that a person is closest to, and the angle factor MRT is calculated based on angle factors between a person and the different surfaces in a space. Here, the surface weighted MRT is the average temperature of the selected surface and zone averaged MRT and is intended to represent conditions in the limit as a person gets closer and closer to a particular surface. In that limit, half of the person’s radiant field will be dominated by that surface and the other half will be exposed to the rest of the zone. Note that the surface weighted MRT is only an approximation. The angle factor MRT is the mean temperature of the surrounding surface temperatures weighted according to the magnitude of the respective angle factors and allows the user to more accurately predict thermal comfort at a particular location within a space." </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Meanwhile, t</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>he effective temperature of the screen/glazing combination that is used to calculate the window’s contribution to the zone’s mean radiant temperature (MRT) is calculated with respect only to long wave radiation. Therefore I believe the mean radiant temperature calculation for energy + does not take into account direct solar radiation through the window. </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>To my understanding, "a person standing near a window" is the exceptional case when indoor thermal comfort calculation, such as Fanger's model, is implemented. Please bear in mind, those indoor thermal comfort equations are normally based upon extensive indoor survey results and the survey were unlikely carried out in extreme conditions, such as under direct solar radiation. Fortunately. many outdoor thermal models are developing recently (i.e. <a href="http://www.urbanclimate.net/matzarakis/papers/Radiation_6hellenic.pdf">http://www.urbanclimate.net/matzarakis/papers/Radiation_6hellenic.pdf</a>). You may try to explain your scenario with respect to these models. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>A good paper regarding calculation of MRT outdoors can be found at <a href="http://www.gvc2.gu.se/Ngeo/bjorn/pdf/referee/12%20-%20Thorsson%20et%20al%202007.pdf">http://www.gvc2.gu.se/Ngeo/bjorn/pdf/referee/12%20-%20Thorsson%20et%20al%202007.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Regards, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Cheney Chen <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>LinkedIN @ <a href="http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/yu-cheney-chen/27/637/72b">http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/yu-cheney-chen/27/637/72b</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Harding, Ross <<a href="mailto:ross.harding@built-ecology.com">ross.harding@built-ecology.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Does anyone know if the for mean radiant temperature calculation for energy plus has the ability to take into account direct solar gain (ie not indirectly from surfaces)? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>If not, how could this be accounted for in thermal comfort? 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