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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>For what it’s worth, regardless of what the various
publications actually say, the last 5-6 projects of mine have had reviewers
that had me confirm that when I use DCV in the proposed design, that the
baseline design MUST match the minimum ASHRAE 62.1-2004 (or 07) requirements.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>So if you don’t have DCV (shame on you!), then your
baseline and proposed models can have matching OA, and it can be whatever
quantity you want.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Karen
Walkerman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Grammy<br>
<b>Cc:</b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] G3.1.2.5 Clarification<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>There was a major discussion on this topic a few months ago,
although it may have been on the eQuest list-serve, I don't remember. Try
searching the archives.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The general conclusion was that the current requirements are
that the baseline and proposed design models should have the same ventilation
rates, BUT that this doesn't make that much sense as you could over-ventilate
to the point where there is no added benefit to the occupants, and major
additional energy use. The discussion was primarily around LEED EA Credit
1, and there was some correspondence between the simulation group and the LEED
credit chair. I believe that they will be looking at modifying this
requirement for LEED models in the future.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Karen<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Grammy <<a
href="mailto:grammy.hkust@gmail.com">grammy.hkust@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>In my opinion, the
exception is means that keep the "design value" of OA same in both
proposed and basline, but use DCV only in proposed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Because DCV can
modify OA volume by the number of people in zone, and the OA
requirement is dynamics in simulation - which is too hard to keep baseline
same with, and also should not keep the same, if not where does the
saving come from?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Paul Riemer <<a
href="mailto:Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com">Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Section G.3.1.2.5 in 90.1-2007 has added
an exception to the "shall be the same" for models with demand
controlled ventilation in the proposed that is not required by Section 6.4.3.9.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>That alone is kind of confusing since it
does not address what the values should be when they are allowed to not be the
same. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I think they are trying to resolve the
intersection of projects that use more OA than Std 62.1 and utilize demand
controlled ventilation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>The most recent Trane Engineers
broadcast promised more changes coming to this section (as addendum DA?) but I
do not have anything published to reference.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Paul Riemer</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Dunham</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a
href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kingsley, Michael L.<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Grammy; Jaigath Chandraprakash</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] G3.1.2.5 Clarification<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>I agree.
Standard 61.1 sets the minimum acceptable ventilation rate. The design
ventilation rate can be higher, and the baseline rate should be the same as the
real design.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>Best
regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>Mike</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a
href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Grammy<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 28, 2010 8:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jaigath Chandraprakash<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] G3.1.2.5 Clarification</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>In my opinion:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>For LEED, the OA
should increase 30% first. This is the propose requirement.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Then for energy model,
the baseline model should equal to proposed, which means the baseline OA is
also 30% more than 62.1 requirement.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'>On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Jaigath Chandraprakash <<a
href="mailto:cjaigath@yahoo.com">cjaigath@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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margin-left:.5in'>Hello,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'>G3.1.2.5 states that minimum ventilation rates will be
the same for proposed building and baseline building. Does it mean that if
my building design OA rate is increased by 30%, my model will still be
based on the minimum OA required by 62.1 and is still equal to the baseline
building OA? Meaning my proposed building wont be penalized by supplying more
OA?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'>Thanks in advance.<o:p></o:p></p>
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