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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Section G.3.1.2.5 in 90.1-2007 has added an exception to the "shall
be the same" for models with demand controlled ventilation in the proposed
that is not required by Section 6.4.3.9. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>That alone is kind of confusing since it does not address what
the values should be when they are allowed to not be the same. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I think they are trying to resolve the intersection of projects
that use more OA than Std 62.1 and utilize demand controlled ventilation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The most recent Trane Engineers broadcast promised more changes coming
to this section (as addendum DA?) but I do not have anything published to
reference.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'>Paul Riemer<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'>Dunham<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kingsley,
Michael L.<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Grammy; Jaigath Chandraprakash<br>
<b>Cc:</b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] G3.1.2.5 Clarification<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>I agree.  Standard 61.1 sets the minimum acceptable
ventilation rate.  The design ventilation rate can be higher, and the
baseline rate should be the same as the real design.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoAutoSig style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Best regards,</span><span
style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Mike</span><span style='color:
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color:navy'>Michael L. Kingsley, PhD, PE, LEED AP </span></b><span
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Beck, An SAIC Company</span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Grammy<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 28, 2010 8:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jaigath Chandraprakash<br>
<b>Cc:</b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] G3.1.2.5 Clarification</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>For LEED, the OA
should increase 30% first. This is the propose requirement.</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Then for energy
model, the baseline model should equal to proposed, which means the baseline OA
is also 30% more than 62.1 requirement.</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'>On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Jaigath Chandraprakash <<a
href="mailto:cjaigath@yahoo.com">cjaigath@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>

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margin-left:.5in'>Hello,<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'>G3.1.2.5 states that minimum ventilation rates will be
the same for proposed building and baseline building. Does it mean that if
my building design OA rate is increased by 30%, my model will still be
based on the minimum OA required by 62.1 and is still equal to the baseline
building OA? Meaning my proposed building wont be penalized by supplying more
OA?<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'>Thanks in advance.<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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