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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Jeremy,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I agree with Nick’s explanation to <span
class=SpellE>Jaigath</span>, below. A 10% LPD credit can be taken in spaces
that have occupancy sensors, except where occupancy sensors are required
(classrooms etc. per 9.4.1.2). It would make no sense to allow energy savings
only for spaces that have both time clock and occupancy controls, since a space
with both controls would provide no additional energy savings over an occupancy
sensor alone.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I also agree with Nick’s comment to <span
class=SpellE>Rohini</span>. Leave the baseline LPD alone (turning lights off
during unoccupied hours using the same schedule in baseline and proposed) and
take the 10% credit in the proposed where applicable.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jeremy Poling<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, October 06, 2010
12:52 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Nick Caton; R B<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Automatic
Lighting Shutoff MandatoryProvisionQuestion</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>We just had a pretty
in-depth discussion on this internally also – local implementations of
the code (for example, Chicago Building Code) have added some confusion. To
add to what Nick said, the credits in table G3.2 are only referenced in the
lighting requirements in Table G3.1 and are specifically listed for use in the
proposed model for controls that are not already required by the mandatory
provisions of Section 9. I’ve always found it ironic that a Section
G3.2 doesn’t exist even though a Table G3.2 does…but I
digress…here is where we arrived internally:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Section 9.4.1 has 4
main parts – Whole building control, individual space control, exterior
lighting control and additional mandatory controls.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font
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face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>9.4.1.1
requires an automatic whole building control capable of shutting off lighting
(with override capabilities allowed) for the entire building based on either
(a) time clock signal, (b) occupancy sensors, or (c) some other control signal
(like a BMS). This applies to all buildings over 5,000 SF.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Symbol><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
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face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>9.4.1.2
requires an individual control for all spaces, either manual or
automatic. For specific space types, automatic controls are required:
classrooms (except shop classrooms, laboratory classrooms, and preschool
– 12th grade classrooms), conference/meeting rooms, and employee lunch
and break rooms UNLESS those rooms have multiscene control in which case they
are also exempt from the automatic requirement. All other spaces are not
required to have automatic controls and can have either manual or automatic
controls. In addition, those spaces where automatic controls are
mandatory are NOT required to be connected to other automatic lighting shutoff
controls (i.e. the whole building controls required by 9.4.1.1)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>9.4.1.3
requires photocell or astronomical time clock control of site lighting (with
some nuances, but this is a safe simplification of the requirements).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Symbol><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
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style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>9.4.1.4
requires a number of specialty lighting installations to have controls –
most applicable to LEED is the requirement for all task lighting to have an
individual control.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>The way I simplified
this for our engineers is the following: any and all spaces will have 2 levels
of code-required control. The first will comply with 9.4.1.1 and the
second will comply with 9.4.1.2. As an example, for a typical private
office our engineers have been using wall devices that have an occ sensor with
a manual control. If that is the only controls that cover the private
office, then the occ sensor complies with 9.4.1.1 and the manual switch
complies with 9.4.1.2; no credit from Table G3.2 would be allowed since both
control methods are required by 9.4.1. Now, if there is a time clock in
the building and the private office were connected to the time clock with the
same wall device the situation would be different: the time clock would comply
with 9.4.1.1 and the manual switch would comply with 9.4.1.2 leaving the
occupancy sensor as an additional control, eligible in Table G3.2 for a 10% LPD
credit against the PROPOSED LPD factors. For a classroom in a community
center, if the lighting is setup for multiple purposes and the space is on the
building time clock, then you just have compliance with 9.4.1.2 and 9.4.1.1
respectively. If you put in an occ sensor (some control logic required
due to the multiscene) then you can take credit for that sensor in Table G3.2.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I’m curious
what you two think of this interpretation?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>We even went so far
in our discussion to look literally at the way 9.4.1.1 is worded and I believe
that since the word “either” does not imply mixed compliance then
any given building must comply entirely with one of the three options, not a
mix of two. Say a time clock for common spaces with occ sensors for
tenant leased space, for example, would not comply with the most strict reading
of the code. That is quite literal, but I’ve had code reviewers who
have read other codes that literally before…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Nick Caton<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, October 05, 2010
10:40 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> R B<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Automatic
Lighting Shutoff Mandatory ProvisionQuestion<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Rohini,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>While it’s a
minor point, I’d only caution that my “hard and fast rule” is
pretty much a directly from Table G3.1.6: “No automatic lighting
controls … shall be modeled in the baseline building
design…” That said, if I were a reviewer I wouldn’t
have a problem with your approach.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>While modeling occ.
sensors in both cases would help the EUI of the proposed model, not modeling
occ sensors in both cases will mean your baseline and proposed HVAC
systems have to deal with extra internal loads, so presuming you have a better
HVAC system in the proposed model, I’d intuitively assume if anything a
classroom-heavy school/university might do better to not model occ. sensors in
each model… I guess if the results bear it out, go with the flow though
=).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>~Nick<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><img width=119
height=37 id="Picture_x005f_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CB653C.9D1DA540"
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face="Stylus BT"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Stylus BT";
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Stylus BT";color:#2D4D5E;font-weight:bold'>NICK
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style='font-family:"Stylus BT";color:#2D4D5E;font-weight:bold'><o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> R B
[mailto:slv3sat@gmail.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, October 05, 2010
10:23 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Nick Caton<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Jaigath Chandraprakash;
bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Automatic
Lighting Shutoff Mandatory Provision Question<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I actually take the
credit for occ. sensor in both the baseline and proposed case for such spaces
that have a mandatory requirement for occupancy sensor (e.g. classroom). The
advantage is your total energy consumption is slightly less, so when you are in
border line cases where you are ever so slightly less than the required
percentage points for the next level of points it helps. Much more advantageous
to do it this way when you are doing a school/university building.<br>
-Rohini<br>
<br>
Rohini Brahme, Ph.D, LEED AP<br>
Building energy analysis, tool development, and training<br>
Dallas/Fort Worth, TX <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Nick Caton <<a
href="mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com">ncaton@smithboucher.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>The hard and fast rule I follow is that baseline LPD’s are
never to be messed with. Any and all credit taken for lighting controls
is a deduction of LPD (or sufficiently documented schedule adjustment, I
suppose) in the proposed case. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>It can get confusing, but in specific spaces (i.e. classrooms),
9.4.1.2 may require occ. sensors. In such a case, I don’t take a
credit in the baseline (see hard/fast rule above), but instead remove the
credit otherwise taken for that space in the proposed case. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>~Nick</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><font
size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> Jaigath Chandraprakash [mailto:<a
href="mailto:cjaigath@yahoo.com" target="_blank">cjaigath@yahoo.com</a>] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 04, 2010
8:32 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Nick Caton; <a
href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Automatic
Lighting Shutoff Mandatory Provision Question</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Thank you very
much Nick. I really appreciate your help on this.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <br>
I really got confused with this when I got a commnet recently saying that the
"baseline case per section 9.4.1.2 were not modeled" and was asked to
revised the baseline. So I ended up with no savings. This is in conflict with
Table G3.1.6 that you have pointed out which says that No automatic lighting
controls shall be modeled in the baseline building design. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Does it mean that
I am wrong when I applied also 10% savings to my baseline? This is where I
got confused since 9.4.1.1.b also mentions occupant sensor that shall turn
lighting off within 30 mins of occupant leaving the space. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font
size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> Nick Caton <<a
href="mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com" target="_blank">ncaton@smithboucher.com</a>><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Jaigath Chandraprakash <<a
href="mailto:cjaigath@yahoo.com" target="_blank">cjaigath@yahoo.com</a>>; <a
href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Mon, October 4, 2010
10:38:08 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Bldg-sim] Automatic
Lighting Shutoff Mandatory Provision Question</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>Jaigath,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>Appendix G allows us to take credit for automatic controls <u>in
addition to</u> (beyond) what’s required in 9.4.1 for minimum
compliance. One of the options here is to have programmable (time-of-day)
shutoff for interior lighting circuits, and you can infer from between Table
G3.1 and G3.2 of Appendix G that baseline models are taken to feature only such
timeclock controls for automatic shutoff. Further, it’s taken that
the lighting scheduling being kept identical between the proposed and baseline
adequately reflects the minimum requirements, so you aren’t supposed to
try to explicitly model the programmable shutoff. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>If you have occupancy sensors throughout a building which only
requires programmable shutoff, that’s an example of having automatic
controls beyond what 9.4.1 requires – and you’d get to take 10% off
your proposed LPD in all spaces where such short-term shutoff isn’t
already required (per following section 9.4.1.2).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>Note Table G3.2 also has a corresponding distinction between
building smaller than and larger than 5,000ft2 – offering more credit for
buildings using a means of automatic shutoff where no such controls are even
minimally required.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jaigath
Chandraprakash<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 04, 2010
9:01 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Bldg-sim] Automatic
Lighting Shutoff Mandatory Provision Question</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hello All,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I am confused
on the mandatory provision 9.4.1.1 which states that building larger than
5000 ft2 shall have automatic control device. Does it mean that mid-rise
and high rise building cannot claim for credit in occupancy sensors shown
in Table G3.2 because their GFA is more than 5000 ft2 and only small office can
claim for this credit? I am sure I am not interpreting this section correct
since from what I read, other modelers are claiming for savings for
buildings with more than 5000 ft2 area for occupancy sensors even if mandatory
requirements states that this is required which means baseline building will
also have occupancy sensors.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Can someone
correct me on this? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Thank you,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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