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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Chris,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>My understanding of the intent of ASHRAE
Standard 90.1 and LEED EAc1 is that all building energy is to be included, so
the energy needs to be accounted for. I don’t think you can exclude it
just because it is exterior to the building. You don’t exclude other
exterior features like lighting and snow melt systems. I would consider an exterior
gas-powered decoration as either a process load, or an exterior lighting load.
If it is exterior lighting, the project may exceed the exterior lighting power
allowance (90.1 Section 9.4), which is a prerequisite. (Editorial comment - If
I worked on the project, I would take this approach to try to get the torches
removed, since I find the prospect of gas powered decorations silly for any
building, especially a LEED project.) If you treat them as a process load, then
you put the same load in baseline and proposed. I think you have to include them
if they fall within the LEED project boundary, since all building energy use is
supposed to be covered.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Carol Gardner<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, September 16, 2010
1:36 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Chris<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Exterior
Gas Powered Torches</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I think I'd tend not to
include it but in any case it would be the same in either the proposed or
baseline, a good reason not to include it.<br>
<br>
Carol<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Chris <<a
href="mailto:floodyc@gmail.com">floodyc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#000066" face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#000066'>Our proposed
design has exterior gas powered flame-torches for decorative purposes.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#000066" face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#000066'>The energy
consumption of these torches could be significant compared to the building
energy consumption as it is quite a small building.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#000066" face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#000066'>Has anyone
had experience with this design from a LEED perspective. Does it need to be
included in the LEED model?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#000066" face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#000066'>The
preference is that it does not need to be included considering the high energy
consumption.<br clear=all>
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-- <br>
Chris Flood BSc (Eng)<br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Senior</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Building</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> Analyst & Energy Modeller<o:p></o:p></p>
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