[From nobody Wed Mar 16 13:16:12 2011 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from p01c12m007.mxlogic.net ([208.65.145.247]) by mail.smithboucher.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:49:34 -0600 Received: from unknown [76.96.30.56] (EHLO QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net) by p01c12m007.mxlogic.net(mxl_mta-6.4.0-2) with ESMTP id d39da0b4.0.2062879.00-016.2883284.p01c12m007.mxlogic.net (envelope-from <scott.a.criswell@gmail.com>); Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:49:34 -0700 (MST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----_=_NextPart_004_01CA6C6D.B2C57300" Received: from OMTA17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8iPv1d0091afHeLA6ipaJS; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:49:34 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.193] ([76.105.171.145]) by OMTA17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8ipZ1d00M38aVRY8dipamL; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:49:34 +0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Roof monitor "Open to Below" Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:49:28 -0500 Message-ID: <4B0AD938.4040700@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <FCEBC0C28321F7479789B25A13030F69E7BE52@sandbinc2.sbi.smithboucher.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Equest-users] Roof monitor "Open to Below" Thread-Index: AcpsbbNYNUwLXZTlQai5FveWhsOx2g== References: <4CC23B56D1B2C446884C257590CF887F047E997D@troy-be-ex1.win.rpi.edu> <FCEBC0C28321F7479789B25A13030F69E7BE47@sandbinc2.sbi.smithboucher.com> <4CC23B56D1B2C446884C257590CF887F047E9A90@troy-be-ex1.win.rpi.edu> <FCEBC0C28321F7479789B25A13030F69E7BE52@sandbinc2.sbi.smithboucher.com> From: "Scott Criswell" <scott.a.criswell@gmail.com> To: <equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org> Cc: "Nick Caton" <ncaton@smithboucher.com>, "Smith, Aaron Matthew" <SMITHA11@rpi.edu> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_004_01CA6C6D.B2C57300 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_005_01CA6C6D.B2C57300" ------_=_NextPart_005_01CA6C6D.B2C57300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just wanted to clarify something that could possibly be mis-understood = from Nick's post below, when he states "eQuest will recognize two planes = are on top of each other and default each to be adiabatic or partially = adiabatic". Also please note that what Nick stated is by no means incorrect - I just = felt compelled to clarify some details here that are not broadly = understood. Two important points on this topic: (1) The recognition of coincident walls works only for vertical walls = (side-by-side shells), NOT horizontal walls (shells stacked on top of = each other). When shells in the wizard are placed side-by-side, then = eQUEST can detect this wall coincidence and when generating the detailed = building model will utilize interior, adiabatic walls wherever the = shells are adjoining. However, there is no such roof/floor wall = coincidence intelligence for wizard shells stacked on top of each other. = IN these cases the user should make sure that the Ground Floor = construction of the upper shell is set to "Over Conditioned Space = (adiabatic)" and the Roof Construction is set to "No Exterior Exposure = (adiabatic)". (2) This vertical wall coincidence checking mechanism lies within the = wizard database and defaulting mechanism and is used to populate the = detailed (DOE-2) model in such a way as to ensure proper model of = side-by-side shells. No such vertical wall coincidence checking exists = when creating (the equivalent of) side-by-side shells in the detailed = interface. When creating such walls in the detailed interface, the user = must indicate wall exposure by creating either exterior or interior = (adiabatic or thermally conductive) walls. Lastly - our team would like to thank Nick (and many others as well) for = his contributions to this and the Bldg-Sim e-mail lists. His detailed = and accurate explanations are very beneficial to the eQUEST & building = simulation community at large. - Scott Nick Caton wrote:=20 Happy to help - I'll point out further that the important thing when = modeling varying roof heights / monitors using the "cutting method" (and = that is a term I just made up so don't search for that explicitly), to = save yourself some time, is to match vertices when defining the separate = shells. In doing so, eQuest will recognize two planes are on top of = each other and default each to be adiabatic or partially adiabatic. =20 =20 This is good because on one level you won't accidentally end up with a = lot more exterior wall than you should have. On a further level, it = will save you some time later in identifying which walls need to be tied = to adjacent zones (the adiabatic walls will stand out in spreadsheet = view), if you decide you want to more accurately account for thermal = behavior between the monitor zone(s) and the surroundings by defining = "Next to Space...". =20 Also, flattery will get you nowhere, but thanks for the model compliment = ;). =20 Cheers! =20 ~Nick =20 cid:489575314@22072009-0ABB =20 NICK CATON, E.I.T. PROJECT ENGINEER 25501 west valley parkway olathe ks 66061 direct 913 344.0036 fax 913 345.0617 Check out our new web-site @ www.smithboucher.com=20 =20 From: Smith, Aaron Matthew [mailto:SMITHA11@rpi.edu]=20 Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 10:48 AM To: Nick Caton; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org Subject: RE: [Equest-users] Roof monitor "Open to Below" =20 Thanks Nick, this looks exactly like what I want to accomplish. I will = look up the "cutting lines" strategy and see if I can implement it. Also thank you for sharing the images of your nice looking model. =20 Cheers, Aaron =20 From: Nick Caton [mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 11:33 AM To: Smith, Aaron Matthew; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org Subject: RE: [Equest-users] Roof monitor "Open to Below" =20 I think you've identified the root of your problem - I'm unsure that = there's any way to get light in one shell to transmit to another. =20 Attached and below is an example of a project with a lot of roof = monitors that does successfully measure and account for daylighting in = those spaces. A picture speaks a thousand words, so see if this = matches what you were thinking to accomplish. =20 =20 Each monitor is a single zone and shell (i.e. no plenum zone). Sensors = are located either on the floor or at a desk height, as appropriate to = the space usage. Creating the shell that "wraps" around the monitors is = done by using "cutting lines" in the footprint/zoning pattern - you can = read up on that strategy by searching the archives for how courtyards = are modeled. =20 =20 I'll point out, in terms of accuracy, I have the impression that = eQuest's daylight sensors do not accurately realize the full amount of = light that should be encountered with light shelves, light tubes, or = other means of interreflected daylight, based on my comparative daylight = analyses using AGI32 (which I've learned to use accurately for daylight = modeling). The DOE2 help files I think also allude to this - It's = something to keep in mind if you have a lot of monitor overhangs, again = as with the example below. =20 ~Nick =20 =20 =20 cid:489575314@22072009-0ABB =20 NICK CATON, E.I.T. PROJECT ENGINEER 25501 west valley parkway olathe ks 66061 direct 913 344.0036 fax 913 345.0617 Check out our new web-site @ www.smithboucher.com=20 =20 From: equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org = [mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Smith, = Aaron Matthew Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 9:42 AM To: equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org Subject: [Equest-users] Roof monitor "Open to Below" =20 Hello E-quest group, =20 I am working on ways to implement Equest in my workflow for the purpose = of daylighting design evaluation, and I am having trouble implementing a = roof monitor. I have read the help files that describe the limitations = of Equest to perform daylighting calculations, but I have also seen that = some people have been able to implement multilevel atriums and I have = seen one application of a roof monitor. Anyways I want to give it a go = before I start programming in Daylight Factors. =20 =20 Attached is an example building I would like to be able to evaluate. My = evaluation goal is to put a light meter on the bottom zone under the = monitor and see what results pop out in the detailed daylighting summary = reports (LS-G, LS-J, ect.) I would like to compare Equest results to the = results of other software/calculations/measurements I am investigating, = however it seems that no light from the roof monitor is making it to the = bottom zone. =20 The bottom shell is all one zone and the top is all one zone. I have = found that it is necessary that the bottom zone have windows or else no = daylighting dialog screen shows up in the DD wizard, and that means no = light meter. At first I tried to make the top zone "open to below" and = then in the detailed edit mode moved the light meter under the monitor, = but the results do not indicate any light is making it from the roof = monitor to the bottom zone. =20 I was hoping some of you might have some suggestions to help implement = this roof monitor setup. =20 Thanks, Aaron =20 Aaron Smith Sr. Research Specialist smitha11@rpi.edu =20 Lighting Research Center 21 Union Street Troy, NY 12180 p. 518.687.7167 f. 518.687.7120 =20 _____ =20 _______________________________________________ Equest-users mailing list http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/equest-users-onebuilding.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list send a blank message to = EQUEST-USERS-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG =20 ------_=_NextPart_005_01CA6C6D.B2C57300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> =20 <title></title> </head> <body bgcolor=3D"#ffffff" text=3D"#000000"> Just wanted to clarify something that could possibly be mis-understood from Nick's post below, when he states "eQuest will recognize two planes are on top of each other and default each to be adiabatic or partially adiabatic".<br> Also please note that what Nick stated is by no means incorrect - I just felt compelled to clarify some details here that are not broadly understood.<br> <br> Two important points on this topic:<br> (1) The recognition of coincident walls works only for vertical walls (side-by-side shells), NOT horizontal walls (shells stacked on top of each other).  When shells in the wizard are placed side-by-side, = then eQUEST can detect this wall coincidence and when generating the detailed building model will utilize interior, adiabatic walls wherever the shells are adjoining.  However, there is no such roof/floor = wall  coincidence intelligence for wizard shells stacked on top of each other.  IN these cases the user should make sure that the Ground = Floor construction of the upper shell is set to "Over Conditioned Space (adiabatic)" and the Roof Construction is set to "No Exterior Exposure (adiabatic)".<br> <br> (2) This vertical wall coincidence checking mechanism lies within the wizard database and defaulting mechanism and is used to populate the detailed (DOE-2) model in such a way as to ensure proper model of side-by-side shells.  No such vertical wall coincidence checking = exists when creating (the equivalent of) side-by-side shells in the detailed interface.  When creating such walls in the detailed interface, the user must indicate wall exposure by creating either exterior or interior (adiabatic or thermally conductive) walls.<br> <br> Lastly - our team would like to thank Nick (and many others as well) for his contributions to this and the Bldg-Sim e-mail lists.  His detailed and accurate explanations are very beneficial to the eQUEST & building simulation community at large.<br> <br> - Scott<br> <br> <br> Nick Caton wrote: <blockquote = cite=3D"mid:FCEBC0C28321F7479789B25A13030F69E7BE52@sandbinc2.sbi.smithbou= cher.com" type=3D"cite"> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; 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= color: rgb(45, 77, 94);"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family: "Stylus BT","sans-serif"; = color: rgb(45, 77, 94);"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family: "Stylus BT","sans-serif"; = color: rgb(45, 77, 94);">NICK CATON, E.I.T.</span></b><b><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Stylus = BT","sans-serif"; color: rgb(45, 77, = 94);"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 7.5pt; color: rgb(204, 153, 0);">PROJECT = ENGINEER</span><span style=3D"font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: "Times New = Roman","serif"; color: rgb(204, 153, = 0);"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(45, 77, 94);">25501 west valley parkway<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(45, 77, 94);">olathe ks = 66061<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(45, 77, 94);">direct 913 344.0036<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(45, 77, 94);">fax 913 345.0617<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(45, 77, 94);">Check out our new web-site @ </span></i><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, = 125);"><a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"www.smithboucher.com" title=3D"blocked::www.smithboucher.com"><span style=3D"font-size: = 10pt;">www.smithboucher.com</span></a></span><u><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: blue;"> </span></u><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, = 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, = 223) -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt medium = medium; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: = "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: = "Tahoma","sans-serif";"> Smith, Aaron Matthew [<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" = href=3D"mailto:SMITHA11@rpi.edu">mailto:SMITHA11@rpi.edu</a>] <br> <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 19, 2009 10:48 AM<br> <b>To:</b> Nick Caton; <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" = href=3D"mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.one= building.org</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Roof monitor "Open to = Below"<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks Nick, this looks exactly like what I want to accomplish. I will look up the “cutting = lines” strategy and see if I can implement it.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Also thank you for sharing the images of your nice looking model.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, = 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, = 125);">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, = 125);">Aaron<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, = 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, = 223) -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt medium = medium; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: = "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: = "Tahoma","sans-serif";"> Nick Caton [<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" = href=3D"mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com">mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com</a= >] <br> <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 19, 2009 11:33 AM<br> <b>To:</b> Smith, Aaron Matthew; <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" = href=3D"mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.one= building.org</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Roof monitor "Open to = Below"<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I = think you’ve identified the root of your problem – I’m unsure that there’s any = way to get light in one shell to transmit to another.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, = 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, = 125);">Attached and below is an example of a project with a lot of roof monitors that does successfully measure and account for daylighting in those spaces.  A  picture speaks a thousand words, so see if this matches what you were thinking to accomplish.  <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, = 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Each monitor is a single zone and shell (i.e. no plenum zone).  Sensors are located either on the floor or at a desk height, as appropriate to the space usage.  Creating = the shell that “wraps” around the monitors is done by using “cutting lines” in the footprint/zoning pattern – you = can read up on that strategy by searching the archives for how courtyards are modeled.  <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, = 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, = 125);">I’ll point out, in terms of accuracy, I have the impression that eQuest’s daylight sensors = do not accurately realize the full amount of light that should be encountered with light shelves, light tubes, or other means of interreflected daylight, based on my comparative daylight analyses using AGI32 (which I’ve learned to = use accurately for daylight modeling).  The DOE2 help files I think = also allude to this – It’s something to keep in mind if you have = a lot of monitor overhangs, again as with the example = below.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, = 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, = 125);">~Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, = 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><br> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family: "Stylus BT","sans-serif"; = color: rgb(45, 77, 94);"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family: "Stylus BT","sans-serif"; = color: rgb(45, 77, 94);"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><img id=3D"Picture_x0020_1" src=3D"cid:part1.06010604.05030603@gmail.com" alt=3D"cid:489575314@22072009-0ABB" border=3D"0" height=3D"37" = width=3D"119"></span><b><span style=3D"font-family: "Stylus BT","sans-serif"; = color: rgb(45, 77, 94);"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family: "Stylus BT","sans-serif"; = color: rgb(45, 77, 94);"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family: "Stylus BT","sans-serif"; = color: rgb(45, 77, 94);">NICK CATON, E.I.T.</span></b><b><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Stylus = BT","sans-serif"; color: rgb(45, 77, = 94);"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 7.5pt; color: rgb(204, 153, 0);">PROJECT = ENGINEER</span><span style=3D"font-size: 7.5pt; 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border-color: rgb(181, 196, = 223) -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt medium = medium; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: = "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: = "Tahoma","sans-serif";"> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" = href=3D"mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-b= ounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" = href=3D"mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:equest-= users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Smith, Aaron Matthew<br> <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 19, 2009 9:42 AM<br> <b>To:</b> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" = href=3D"mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.one= building.org</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Roof monitor "Open to = Below"<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hello E-quest group,<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I am working on ways to implement Equest in my workflow for the purpose of daylighting design evaluation, and I am having trouble implementing a roof monitor. I have read the help files that describe the limitations of Equest to perform daylighting calculations, but I have also seen that some people have been able to implement multilevel atriums and I have seen one application of a roof monitor. Anyways I want to give it a go before I start programming in Daylight Factors.  <o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Attached is an example building I would like to be able to evaluate. My evaluation goal is to put a light meter on the bottom zone under the monitor and see what results pop out in the detailed daylighting summary reports (LS-G, LS-J, ect.) I would like to compare Equest results to the results of other software/calculations/measurements I am investigating, however it seems that no light from the roof monitor is making it to the bottom zone.<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">The bottom shell is all one zone and the top is all one zone. I have found that it is necessary that the bottom zone have windows or else no daylighting dialog screen shows up in the DD wizard, and that means no light meter. At first I tried to make the top zone “open to below” = and then in the detailed edit mode moved the light meter under the monitor, but the results do not indicate any light is making it from the roof monitor to the bottom zone.<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I was hoping some of you might have some suggestions to help implement this roof monitor setup.<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Aaron<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 18pt; font-family: Mistral;">Aaron Smith<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Century = Gothic","sans-serif";">Sr. Research Specialist<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Century = Gothic","sans-serif";"><a = class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" = href=3D"mailto:smitha11@rpi.edu">smitha11@rpi.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></= p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Century = Gothic","sans-serif";"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Century = Gothic","sans-serif";">Lighting Research Center<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Century = Gothic","sans-serif";">21 Union Street<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Century = Gothic","sans-serif";">Troy, NY 12180<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Century = Gothic","sans-serif";">p. 518.687.7167<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Century = Gothic","sans-serif";">f.  518.687.7120<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <pre wrap=3D""> <hr size=3D"4" width=3D"90%"> _______________________________________________ Equest-users mailing list <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" = href=3D"http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/equest-users-onebuildin= g.org">http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/equest-users-onebuilding= .org</a> To unsubscribe from this mailing list send a blank message to <a = class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" = href=3D"mailto:EQUEST-USERS-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG">EQUEST-USERS-UNS= UBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG</a> </pre> </blockquote> </body> </html> ------_=_NextPart_005_01CA6C6D.B2C57300-- ------_=_NextPart_004_01CA6C6D.B2C57300 Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="ATT01526.jpg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <part1.06010604.05030603@gmail.com> Content-Description: ATT01526.jpg Content-Location: ATT01526.jpg /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEAYABgAAD//gAcU29mdHdhcmU6IE1pY3Jvc29mdCBPZmZpY2X/2wBDAAoH BwgHBgoICAgLCgoLDhgQDg0NDh0VFhEYIx8lJCIfIiEmKzcvJik0KSEiMEExNDk7Pj4+JS5ESUM8 SDc9Pjv/2wBDAQoLCw4NDhwQEBw7KCIoOzs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7 Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozv/wAARCAAlAHcDASIAAhEBAxEB/8QAGwABAQACAwEAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAQCBQEDBgf/xAAyEAABAwMDAwIDBgcAAAAAAAABAgMEAAURBhIhEzFBIlEWYaEUFSNCgfEHMnGR wdHh/8QAGQEAAwEBAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAECAwQF/8QAJREAAgIBAwQBBQAAAAAAAAAAAAECEQMS ITEEIjJBgVFxocHw/90ABAAo/9oADAMBAAIRAxEAPwD7NSlKAFKUoAUrjcN23Iz7ZrmgBSuCoJGV EAfOpZtyjQkK6jg3hOQjPJqZzjBapOkNJt0iW+XL7Ix0Gj+O6MDH5R71rfuZyHbHpTrp3qawW8ds keaW7puy/vK4upRuJ6YV5I/wK28idbZUdbLktG1YwcKryKj1GrLkdbdqv8/J1746jH5JbHNjNW1D br6EL3HhSsHvW5BBGQcg+a8zKhWVEVxTMolwJJSN+cmtlp5xRtSeorgLITk+K26TNNSWCVbLlO+C MsE05r6m1pSlemcwpSlAHm7drAXW6GLEtry2A4Wy/vTxjyU98VE5/EJptLrotMpTEd7pOugjannA /aukaNuTt/anrXAjIbfLpcihSVrGc4I7V2HRs74dudt67HVmSg8hWTtAyDg8d+K1qBjcyuNq9q4S nre7BlRC5HW6ytfBWkAnI9jjkV5z4kmW3TlsFrTMLbjx3PPFKyr1H0du9ekkaZlu3qHOS8yG48FU dQJOSopIyOO3NRL0ZPOk4lsRJYEuLILyVHOw8njtnz7U04iamQ3C7yG9bW64G2SC+qGoCIOV59Q/ 7XoImsoUmym5LjvIIfEcsgAq3nsPArCNYrq5qODeZ70YrZjqbdS1nkndjGR2wRWt+Crim2vxuvGc Ds1UhTSlKCHEkYAJAyCDzSeljWpcHOt7gzc9EsTo4X03JCCAoYIxuBH0rNm7wrpd2YlztsuC463+ Ct04CwB9K63NG3Z7Tq7Y5MZW710LQ4paiEpSMbcY4x9arZ01eJ16jTb5NjvNQ0qDKWUkFWeMnjio njx5I6Zq0OMskZalsQzNUW6UhLgtMxdtjK6f2pvhI/T2qtg2eTfFWxpl5WIokpeDnpUk4xx+tTfB 19agu2WPcowtTjm4lST1QM5x2x9apl6VuMW7sTLLMjtARUxVh8EnaBjIwOewrKfS9NJ24qy45cyX JCi7WM2du4fY5JcdfLLUdK8qWofvXRqW5OP2y1uu2l+CI89IDSxkqAGeKtZ0RMYskZpE1lE+HJL7 LnJQc44PHyqqZYb9d48MXGXCU7Hlpey3uA2Dx25NXjw4MTvGkiZzyzVSZTb9ZR5C5zc6I9AchN9V aHeSU/75H96wg62ZlTorD0B6M1NOI7qlA7z4yB2zXErSq5t7ukl99sR58UMpCSd6SMc+3cVBZdGS INxjOSUWtTMY5S42hXVcI7E54BFadgu+yxjW7k1bqIVjlyOi4UOKQRgY+dKu0tZH7IxMbfdacU/J U6OmTwCBwc+eKUm43sioqVbs3tKUqCxSlKAFKUoAUpSgBWvlKCbigYzuRj+nelKwz+K+6LhydJR0 Wyc7kttoUEn254rJtHXbbycbgkjHGPUrFKVypLXp9V+zVvazBCiH293qUoK57fmVWLSQ6w2eR0wT jjn+WlKhbuv70UWQFbnZAAwAsjHzyfNKUruw+CMJ+R//2Q== ------_=_NextPart_004_01CA6C6D.B2C57300-- ]