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    <font face="Calibri">When we provide energy design assistance for
      labs, a significant energy efficiency strategy</font> is to try to
    get the client to really consider ventilation requirements and get
    them down as low as possible.  This can be taken further with good
    focused ventilation strategies.   <br>
    After going through this optimization process, though, I really
    think the final modeling has to have the same ventilation airflow
    rates in the baseline and proposed models (for occupied and
    unoccupied periods).  Different types of labs will have different
    ventilation/ exhaust requirements; I don't see how 1 cfm/SF could be
    be applied to all laboratory spaces.<br>
    Having more resources to help design teams and clients reduce design
    ventilation rates as much as possible would be really
    useful....maybe there's a way to use 62.1 & Appendix G modeling
    to encourage this, but it would need to be a lot more detailed than
    1 cfm/ SF.<br>
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    On 8/26/2010 2:20 PM, Paul Erickson wrote:
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Vikram,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Good
            question…a bit
            interesting to try and answer.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">First,
            your calculations are
            correct.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Second,
            it is interesting that
            only “educational science laboratories” are mentioned,
            somehow
            suggesting that their use is different from corporate and
            institutional
            labs.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Third,
            EH&S often makes this
            determination and there is no agreement among
            standards/guidelines dealing with
            lab ventilation so to impose this bit of Std 62 seems like
            something that the
            USGBC should be considering as it moves towards connecting
            Appendix G to Std 62
            rates.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Fourth,
            related to that last
            point, w</span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">hile
            Appendix G does not yet
            directly require Std 62 rates for the baseline, LEED
            requires Std 62 rates for
            the proposed and 90.1 requires the baseline ventilation to
            match the proposed. 
            So, it would seem that models should be reflecting the 1
            cfm/sf requirement. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">There
            is a grey area that I
            think may also be a point of discussion.  Minimum exhaust
            rates of various
            types are often only required when the space is occupied. 
            As such, and
            considering that many university EH&S folks are at least
            beginning to bat
            around the notion of, if not adopt, a 4 ACH minimum during
            unoccupied periods,
            it seems fair to have a value lower than 1 cfm/sf during
            unoccupied
            periods.  What’s your perspective on this?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">It’d
            be good if others
            chime in and help develop a consensus.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span
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                        text-transform: uppercase;">Paul Erickson</span></b><b><span
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                      </span></b><span style="font-size: 9pt; color:
                      rgb(51, 51, 51);">LEED® AP <br>
                    </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(31,
                      73, 125); text-transform: uppercase;">SR.
                      Sustainable Design COnsultant</span><span
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                        style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(102, 0, 0);">AEI</span></b><span
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                          text-decoration: none;">www.aeieng.com</span></b></a><span
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
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                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sami, Vikram<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 24, 2010 10:49 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> [Bldg-sim] ASHRAE 62 question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Just going through table 6.4 in ASHRAE
          62.1-2007 it looks
          like the minimum exhaust rates for labs (educational science
          laboratories) is 1
          cfm/ft2. That amounts to an ACH of 6 (for a 10ft ceiling) and
          6.7 for a 9ft
          ceiling. <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Am I interpreting that correctly? Does that
          mean for LEED
          projects we cannot go below 6 – 7 ACH? Is there a way around
          it?<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            "Arial","sans-serif"; color: gray;">,
            LEED AP<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            30309<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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