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Dear Joe,<br>
In the UK we have the ubiquitous National Calculation Methodology
(NCM)! This means that any software accredited to perform EPC's or
Part L analysis under the Building regulations must have Hot water
heating included in pre-built templates. This makes things nice and
simple for the user. The tradeoff for this simplicity is
inflexibility - which is another discussion altogether!<br>
I believe the NCM uses Building Research Establishment (BRE)
estimates for its source. I will email this personally to anybody
interested - it's an M$ Access file of 11mb. Email me direct.<br>
Another authorititive source could be the Institute of Plumbing
guides. I get the impression that the BRE may have referred to this
extensively for its sources.<br>
Chris<br>
<br>
On 16/07/2010 07:30, Hwakong Cheng wrote:
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Hi Joe (and Morgan!),<br>
<br>
I assume that the original prototypical models were developed for
DOE-2.1e and not DOE-2.2, but please confirm. I would be
interested in looking at these prototypes too if you are willing
to share. <br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Hwakong<br>
<br>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:50:49 -0700<br>
> From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:YJHuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com">YJHuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com</a><br>
> To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:morgan@ecotope.com">morgan@ecotope.com</a><br>
> CC: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Prototype Commercial Building?<br>
> <br>
> Yes and no. My original prototypes were reviewed in a
18-month interlab <br>
> effort between LBNL (where I was at the time), PNNL, and
NREL. A team of <br>
> three working under me updated the prototypes to ASHRAE
90.1-2003, as <br>
> well as incorporating comments, received mostly from PNNL and
DOE. At <br>
> DOE's request, we also converted the building files from
DOE-2 BDL to <br>
> EnergyPlus IDF, and delivered both sets to DOE, PNNL, and
NREL. After my <br>
> departure from LBNL in June 2007, NREL continued working on
the <br>
> EnergyPlus files, and released them in 2009. I have not
looked at these, <br>
> but according to my LBNL colleague these are essentially the
same <br>
> building models, although there have been some improvements
to the <br>
> system inputs from what I had delivered.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Joe Huang<br>
> White Box Technologies, Inc.<br>
> 346 Rheem Blvd. Suite 108D<br>
> Moraga CA 94556<br>
> (o) +925 388 0265<br>
> (c) +510 928 2683<br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:yjhuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com">yjhuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com</a><br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.whiteboxtechnologies.com">www.whiteboxtechnologies.com</a><br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Morgan Heater wrote:<br>
> > Are your prototypes the ones that were converted into
the energyplus files<br>
> > referenced here?<br>
> > <br>
> >
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/commercial_initiative/reference_buil">http://www1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/commercial_initiative/reference_buil</a><br>
> > dings.html<br>
> > <br>
> > If you had a doe-2 version of the medium office
prototype, that would be<br>
> > really helpful. <br>
> > <br>
> > Thanks!<br>
> > <br>
> > -----Original Message-----<br>
> > From: Joe Huang
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:YJHuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com">mailto:YJHuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com</a>] <br>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:17 PM<br>
> > To: Morgan Heater<br>
> > Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
> > Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Prototype Commercial Building?<br>
> > <br>
> > Are you referring to a prototypical commercial office
building?<br>
> > While at LBNL, I developed a suite of 486 prototypical
commercial <br>
> > buildings covering 16 building types of three vintages
in 16 cities,<br>
> > that were later generalized to around 120 regional
prototypes.<br>
> > <br>
> > These were originally developed in the early 1990's as
DOE-2 files,<br>
> > but were converted to EnergyPlus in 2005-2007 and now
exist as DOE's<br>
> > benchmark buildings available on the NREL web site.
However, I did<br>
> > all the development work in DOE-2, and still have all
these DOE-2<br>
> > files, with the intention of putting them on my Web site
at some<br>
> > point.<br>
> > <br>
> > I can send you the medium office prototype if you're
interested.<br>
> > A distinguishing feature of these prototypes is that the
input files<br>
> > are highly modular and make extensive use of DOE-2
macros to set the<br>
> > key building parameters (size, number of floors,
interior conditions, <br>
> > etc.). This makes the building models very flexible and
extensible.<br>
> > After all, I've yet to meet a researcher who just wanted
to have an<br>
> > input file and do a run without any modifications.<br>
> > <br>
> > Joe<br>
> > <br>
> > Joe Huang<br>
> > White Box Technologies, Inc.<br>
> > 346 Rheem Blvd. Suite 108D<br>
> > Moraga CA 94556<br>
> > (o) +925 388 0265<br>
> > (c) +510 928 2683<br>
> > <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:yjhuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com">yjhuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com</a><br>
> > <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.whiteboxtechnologies.com">www.whiteboxtechnologies.com</a><br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > Morgan Heater wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >> Hi - I'm looking for either a doe2 model or a list
of modeling <br>
> >> parameters for a prototype commercial building.
Ideally, I'm looking <br>
> >> for a model that's for a typical commercial building
around 40,000 <br>
> >> square feet that's been used/validated in other
research projects.<br>
> >><br>
> >> <br>
> >><br>
> >> Anybody have any leads? Thanks. <br>
> >><br>
> >> <br>
> >><br>
> >> Morgan Heater, PE, LEED AP<br>
> >><br>
> >> Ecotope, Inc<br>
> >><br>
> >> <br>
> >><br>
> >> (206) 322-3753 x209<br>
> >><br>
> >> 4056 9th Avenue NE<br>
> >><br>
> >> Seattle, WA 98105<br>
> >><br>
> >> <br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >>
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