Min is right. ASHRAE standard 55-2004 provided computer codes in the appendix for PMV/PPD calculation. What you need to do is just converting those codes into a tool that is convenient for yourself, like VB in Excel. Of course few inputs are needed to run the computer codes, such as mean radiant temperature which can be obtained from an empirical formula as a function of air dry-bulb temperature, surrounding wall surface temperatures, and air movement speed, if I remember correctly.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Min Yan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:building0729@gmail.com">building0729@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
There are some equations to calculate them. The psychrometric chart does not help lot. I used to calculate PMV/PPD with my own VB 6. But there are a few important PMV/PPD equations behind the VB6.0 from some references that I forgot.<div>
<br></div><div>There is nothing to do with climate consultants, BTW.</div><div><br><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Mary Wyllie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:MWyllie@hiscutt-aia.com" target="_blank">MWyllie@hiscutt-aia.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" size="3" face="Humanst521 BT"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Humanst521 BT"; color: blue;">I uploaded a
Psychrometric Chart that I created using a free program called Climate
Consultant.</span></font></p>
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<a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Jason Wendel<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, June 11, 2010 12:34
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> 'Bridgette Baugher';
'<a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>'<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bldg-sim] ASHRAE
55-2004 Thermal Comfort Spreadsheet</span></font><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman";"></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">For LEED 3.0 (2009) the wording is
“Upload supporting documentation with PMV/PPD calculation, ASHRAE comfort
tool results, and/or psychrometric comfort zone chart from Standard 55”</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">For LEED 2.2 you just had to provide a
narrative, but 3.0 requires the actual results from the calculations. I
may just have to buy ASHRAE’s “Thermal Comfort Tool”, I was
just hoping there was something else available.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">-Jason</span></font></p>
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Baugher [mailto:<a href="mailto:BBaugher@southlandind.com" target="_blank">BBaugher@southlandind.com</a>] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, June 11, 2010 10:29
AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Jason Wendel<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [Bldg-sim] ASHRAE
55-2004 Thermal Comfort Spreadsheet</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I would be interested to see if anyone
has actually done a calculation for this. It’s been a while since
submitting this credit, but if I remember correctly, the only requirement from
LEED was a narrative from the engineer.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> Jason Wendel
[mailto:<a href="mailto:jwendel@heatheng.com" target="_blank">jwendel@heatheng.com</a>] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, June 11, 2010 12:23
PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Bridgette Baugher<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [Bldg-sim] ASHRAE
55-2004 Thermal Comfort Spreadsheet</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">IEQc7.2 is a survey of the occupants,
but IEQc7.1 – Thermal Comfort – Design requires complying with
ASHRAE 55.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">-Jason</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> Bridgette
Baugher [mailto:<a href="mailto:BBaugher@southlandind.com" target="_blank">BBaugher@southlandind.com</a>] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, June 11, 2010 10:20
AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Jason Wendel<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [Bldg-sim] ASHRAE
55-2004 Thermal Comfort Spreadsheet</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">How would you calculate this? I
thought it was a survey of the occupants.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><font color="#1f497d" size="1" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-transform: uppercase;">BRIDGETTE BAUGHER</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><font color="#1f497d" size="1" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-transform: uppercase;">EIT, LEED AP</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><font color="#1f497d" size="1" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Energy
Engineer</span></font><font color="#e36c0a" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(227, 108, 10);"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" size="1" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Southland Industries</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" size="1" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">22340 Dresden Street, Suite 177</span></font><font color="#1f497d" size="1" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" size="1" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Dulles</span></font><font color="#1f497d" size="1" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">, VA 20166</span></font><font color="#1f497d" size="1" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span></font></p>
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<a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Jason Wendel<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, June 11, 2010 12:04
PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
'<a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>'<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Bldg-sim] ASHRAE 55-2004
Thermal Comfort Spreadsheet</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Does
anyone have a spreadsheet to calculate PMV-PPD for ASHRAE 55-2004?</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">-Jason</span></font></p>
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