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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">A heating only system is permitted in the baseline ONLY if the space(s) being served are categorized as semi-heated. 90.1 defines a semi-heated space as "an enclosed
space within a building that is heated by a heating system whose output capacity is greater than or equal to 3.4 Btu/h·ft2 of floor area but is not a conditioned space."<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">So if it’s more than that then it’s a conditioned space. Conditioned spaces must follow the baseline system rules of G3.1.1 and must be heated and cooled.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">An unconditioned space must follow Table G3.1 #12 for modeling exhaust fans to be the same between the baseline and proposed. In the Create Rooms, Rooms tab, the room
type can be set to conditioned or unconditioned.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"">Bob Fassbender, LEED AP<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"">Trane C.D.S.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Clark Denson [mailto:cdenson@ssr-inc.com] <br>
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 2:00 PM<br>
To: Eurek, John S NWO; Bishop, Bill; Fareed Syed; Snarski, Marty; bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] TRACE modeling question - Heating Only</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">I like your approach. Was this for a LEED job? If so, did the USGBC<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">reviewer like it? That's the important question that next needs<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">answering.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">Thanks,
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">Clark Denson, PE, CEM, LEED AP<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">SSRCx, LLC<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">From: Eurek, John S NWO [mailto:John.S.Eurek@usace.army.mil]
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:21 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">To: Bishop, Bill; Fareed Syed; Snarski, Marty;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] TRACE modeling question - Heating Only<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">What I did in Trace....<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">I have a mechanical room which I was going to cooled with exhaust fans<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">and no<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">mechanical cooling. To do this, I set the infiltration equal to the<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">exhaust<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">cfm in the Airflows tab. I then set the infiltration schedule and<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">exhaust<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">schedule to be 100% whenever the mechanical room temp was above 80<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">degrees.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">(You will have to create a schedule.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">Modeling the exhaust cooling as infiltration worked best since the air<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">travels from the outside directly to the room without going through any<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">mechanical divice. (Coils, filters, fans....)
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">I also made a coiling unit can called it "pretend" and had the set point<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">100<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">degrees. (So it would never turn on.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">..... I then made the baseline without the exhaust system, so it would<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">have<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">to mechanically cool the mechanical room to 100 degrees.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">From: bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Bishop,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">Bill<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 9:45 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">To: Fareed Syed; Snarski, Marty; bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] TRACE modeling question - Heating Only<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">Marty,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">I usually model heating-only systems in my proposed model as PTAC<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">systems for<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">Appendix G. I use a high cooling thermostat temperature in the proposed<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">and<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">baseline models to minimize cooling energy in those spaces.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">Bill<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">From: bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Fareed Syed<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:36 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">To: Snarski, Marty; bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] TRACE modeling question - Heating Only<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">In my past experience, I had assigned those heated only spaces to VAV<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">systems<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">for the baseline model. I think that's the most appropriate way of<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">complying<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">Appendix G. And this way it went through without any comments from the<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">reviewer.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">Fareed<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">From: bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Snarski,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">Marty<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:34 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">To: bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">Subject: [Bldg-sim] TRACE modeling question - Heating Only<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">Hello, everyone.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">I've got a question that I've never been clear on and figured I'd turn<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">to the<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">experts (you all).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">In appendix G, Table G3.1.1b, it's stated that all conditioned spaces<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">shall<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">be modeled as being both heated and cooled, even if no cooling systems<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">exists, for both the proposed and baseline buildings.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">don't worry about cooling those spaces. So, my question is, though<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
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