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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Carol et al,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Here’s my current understanding of the options we have (specifically
in eQuest) to specify equipment loads (from my head – correct me if I’m
off):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>You may enter one (optionally, up to 5) distinct W/SF or kW value
for a zone to represent the full equipment load(s). You may optionally
apply a diversity to the full load at this step here, but if doing so you
should modify your operation schedules as follows…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Each equipment load specified must be assigned a fractional schedule.
You may choose to use 0’s and 1’s to model ON/OFF behavior, but
eQuest left to its own devices generates hourly schedules which apply such
diversity here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The hourly thermal effects of each specified equipment load may
be reduced further by means of specifying the sensible and latent load factors –
values from 0 to 1. By default, I believe equipment loads generated by
the wizards will have whatever you may have specified for sensible (1.0 by
default) and 0.0 for the latent portion. The sum of these two factors
cannot exceed 1.0, and these factors have no effect on the amount of energy
consumed – only the heat contributions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>In the referenced and on-going (?) thread (discussing the intent
and means of handling/satisfying the LEED 25% default process load rule) I
brought up the possibility of specifying additional equipment loads with a
sensible/latent fraction of 0.0 – effectively consuming additional energy
to reach the 25% mandate, but also contributing nothing to internal heat gains.
It was suggested, and I’m currently in agreement, that an easier and less
seemingly subversive approach to meeting the 25% rule and achieving the same intentions
would be to instead specify a direct internal load to the electric meter.
It should be noted some feel strongly that the 25% rule itself ought to be
ignored entirely, but if this topic interests you I’d suggest replying to
that discussion thread for clarity’s sake ;).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>~Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Carol
Gardner<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 05, 2010 1:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Yuvaraj Saravanan<br>
<b>Cc:</b> eQUEST Users List; bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] [Equest-users] Process Equipment Power
Consumption<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I do not believe we are double
discounting. Try this: think of when you turn your computer on and off however
you do so during the day, lets say on at 9 am off at noon on at 1 pm off at 5
pm. That is your schedule. Now think of how when you walk away from your
computer for any length of time and it goes into sleep mode, that's your
diversity. <br>
<br>
Comments, thoughts are welcome. Is this what you were maybe getting at with the
multiplier, Nick.<br>
<br>
Waiting to learn more,<br>
Carol<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Yuvaraj Saravanan <<a
href="mailto:Yuvaraj.Saravanan@arup.com">Yuvaraj.Saravanan@arup.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Hi Carol,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>This question is not specific to equest.
Would you apply a diversity as well as a schedule for process load? I thought
by applying a schedule we are accounting for diversity. By applying a diversity
and then a schedule are we not double discounting the load?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Yuvaraj</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a
href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"
target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Carol Gardner<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Gaurav Mehta<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Process Equipment Power Consumption<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Whenever
you have an equipment, aka process, load it is proper to apply first a diversity
factor, aka % on at one time, and then a schedule. Whether your building is new
or existing doesn't matter. This is an Art not a Science. Experience is the
primary teacher. You can always ask us old farts. We are relevant and have
information that one only can get with time. Yours to chose to listen to or
not.<br>
<br>
Peace out,<br>
Carol<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On
Mon, May 3, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Gaurav Mehta <<a
href="mailto:gmehta75@gmail.com" target="_blank">gmehta75@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Please
refer to the Chapter 18, Nonresidential Cooling and Heating Load Calculations
of the 2009 ASHRAE Handbook of Fundamentals.<br>
<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Gaurav Mehta<br>
<br>
Stantec<br>
<br>
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From: "Walson, Kristy" <<a href="mailto:kristy.walson@tlc-eng.com"
target="_blank">kristy.walson@tlc-eng.com</a>><br>
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 11:29<br>
To: <<a href="mailto:omoltay@mimtarch.com" target="_blank">omoltay@mimtarch.com</a>>;
<<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Process Equipment Power Consumption<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hi
Omer,<br>
<br>
On recent projects, I have had to pay more attention to the process loads for
the types of equipment you mentioned below. In the past, I would just
ensure that my process energy cost was 25% of the total energy cost because I
knew that the types of buildings I was modeling (commercial offices, mostly)
would never have an actual process load even close to 25%.<br>
<br>
However, recently I have been modeling process loads in a more exact way. What
I do is I take the kW rating of the equipment, then I talk to the electrical
engineer to get an idea of whether that equipment will ever run at its rated
load and, if not, I apply the appropriate reduction to it based on what the
electrical engineer says.<br>
<br>
Once I have this maximum energy use for process loads in the building, I then
create a custom schedule for this process energy. Sometimes I need to
create more than one custom schedule based on the type of equipment in the
space. This can become very tedious if you get too far into the weeds, so
I try to keep the schedules realistic, but simple and I keep the number of
different custom schedules I create to a minimum. As we all know, you can
never know the actual occupancy and use schedule of a building until it is
occupied for a certain period of time, so keep your assumptions simple and
logical.<br>
<br>
I'd love to hear what other folks are doing if it differs from my process.<br>
<br>
Kristy Walson, PE, LEED AP<br>
Mechanical Engineer / Sustainable Design<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"
target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [mailto:<a
href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
On Behalf Of <a href="mailto:omoltay@mimtarch.com" target="_blank">omoltay@mimtarch.com</a><br>
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 1:46 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
Subject: [Equest-users] Process Equipment Power Consumption<br>
<br>
Dear All,<br>
<br>
One of the things that cause most trouble for us in modelling is the power<br>
consumption of equipment such as dishwashers, ovens, food warm-up<br>
equipment and so on that have varying levels of power consumption during<br>
operation (even PCs and laptops). We are sometimes using nameplate<br>
installed kW values, but deep inside we know that this is quite wrong -<br>
but we have no other more reliable source / guideline for such equipment.<br>
I would appreciate any feedbacks on how others are modelling such<br>
equipment.<br>
<br>
Thank you,<br>
<br>
Omer Moltay, LEED AP<br>
Mimta<br>
<br>
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