<head><style>body{font-family: Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color: #ffffff;color: black;}</style></head><body id="compText"><br>So then we should harness the <span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">elastic potential
energy </span>of vertical and horizontal building materials/elements on a highrise or any building where it's material deflect from wind pressure or other pressure.<br><br>Is any company out there doing this now?<br><br>Debra<br><br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 0px;">-----Original Message-----
<br>From: Chris Yates <chris@zed-uk.com>
<br>Sent: Apr 11, 2010 7:11 AM
<br>To: 'Chris Yates' <chris@zed-uk.com>, near_ej@yahoo.com, bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org
<br>Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Not a simulation question, but need help looking for vendor/ product developer for piezoelectric application / floor tiles.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Neeraj,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I apologise for my response. I do not wish it to reflect in any way
on the professionalism and help that this list endeavours to supply. I was out
of order, sorry.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I seek to supply a more appropriate reply (and in doing so open
myself to ridicule because there are probably a couple of mistakes in my
working out!). Here goes:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The feasibility of a piezoelectric system implemented as floor
tiles does seem to fly in the face of my understanding of Newton, Force and Work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Average person has a mass of, say, 70kg.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Force exerted by both feet, therefore = mass x gravity = 70 x
9.81 = 686.7Newtons or 343 per foot<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">For the transfer of energy with every foot fall Work must be
done to the tile. That means it must undertake some deflection. The resulting
work transferred to the tile in Joules would be similar to the elastic potential
energy equation: EPE = ½ x kX<sup>2</sup> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Let’s say the tile deflects 1mm under one foot. Therefore the
spring constant k for the tile would be 343350N/m and EPE of the tile whilst
stood on would be 0.172 Joules.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">This is just EPE stored by the tile whilst loaded. The tile will
probably consist of the piezo device and a substrate which the energy will dissipate
over. Let’s be generous and assume 20% of that work is converted to electrical energy.
We are now talking about 0.034 Joules per foot fall. The rest will escape as
heat. Considering a human metabolism whilst walking will be of the order of 120
Watts plus (Watts = Joules / second) the energy recovered through floor tiles
would be minimal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I hope this is useful.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris Yates<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 April 2010 12:33<br>
<b>To:</b> near_ej@yahoo.com; bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Not a simulation question, but need help looking
for vendor/ product developer for piezoelectric application / floor tiles.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Neeraj,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">An interesting application. Although I cannot help you with the
piezoelectric devices you seek, I do know a very reliable manufacturer of
whoopee cushions. If these could somehow be connected into a turbine generator system,
then I’m sure you could generate an equivalent amount of power. Other benefits
include:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><zzz![endif]><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">With the deluxe “auto inflating” range, the cushions would
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</span></span></span><zzz![endif]><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Fun, and a possible lasting attraction encouraging users back to
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Best regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Chris Yates<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>"near_ej@yahoo.com"<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 April 2010 04:10<br>
<b>To:</b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Bldg-sim] Not a simulation question, but need help looking for
vendor/ product developer for piezoelectric application / floor tiles.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";">Hello
all,<br>
<br>
We are exploring the feasibility of deploying a piezoelectric application in a
large (approx. 2,00,000 sqft), 9 stories tall, public building coming up in
India.<br>
The building is being planned right now -- currently in the design development
phase rolling fast towards final design and tendering stage(s). It is expected
to see a very high foot fall on the ground and first floor levels and that's
where I need further help. Is there a company available to design and sell an
application or a product that will generate electricity -- perhaps using some
sort of floor tiles?<br>
<br>
Any of you who could help me may write to me directly since this is not a
simulation question.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Neeraj<br>
<br>
Neeraj Kapoor<br>
t: +91.99581.70018<br>
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