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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Sounds right to me.&nbsp;&nbsp;
I&#8217;ve wondered about the relatively low &#8220;U&#8221; for basements, too.&nbsp;
My best guess for ASHRAE&#8217;s rationale is that the additional heating load
is balanced by reduced cooling load&#8230;&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'>1631 Acacia Drive&nbsp;NW<br>
Grand Rapids, MI 49504<br>
616 450 8653<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>James
Hansen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:18 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Bldg-sim] C-factors<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I wanted to run something by
everyone to see if this is how most people model underground
walls:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>For my climate zone (4A), the
required C-factor for Underground Wall is 1.140 (no U-value listed).<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>If you go to Appendix A of
90.1-2004, specifically sections A4.1 and Table A4.2, I *<b>think</b>* that you
come to the conclusion that the baseline underground walls should be modeled as
8 inch medium weight concrete block with a density of 115 lb/ft3, solid grouted
cores, and NO INSULATION.&nbsp; This is what A4.1 says, and the published
C-factors in Table A4.2 indicate that a C-factor of 1.140 is obtained using this
wall and no framing / no insulation.<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>If you then refer to Table A3.1C,
for that wall type, sure enough a C-factor of 1.140 is listed with a
corresponding U-value of 0.58.<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>When I run my baseline model with
an underground wall construction having a U-value of 0.58, I end up with way
more cooling hours and energy that my proposed model, which has R-13
insulation.&nbsp; This is presumably because those underground spaces are
constantly losing heat thru the poor wall construction to the 55 degree earth
heat sink (or whatever eQuest calculates it as).<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I&#8217;m not complaining, as it
makes the proposed system look that much more efficient, but I just wanted to
double check that I&#8217;m doing this right.<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On a side note, I&#8217;m having a
tough time reducing my unmet load hours for the underground VAV system, but
that&#8217;s besides the point&#8230;<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p>

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