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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I would not characterize AGI32 as a “pretty rendering”
generator – there are more efficient and appropriate tools for that
purpose. I’m a critic first, and don’t like to speak
glowingly of any program, but AGI32 is best characterized as one of the more sophisticated
photometric software solutions among the other options, with a correspondingly
difficult learning curve… <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>While I am proficient in AGI32 I do the bulk of my photometric
work with Visual, as it’s what I’m fastest with. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I do utilize AGI32 for photometrics/renderings/daylight work when
I’m (A) working photometrics from a Sketchup model – as I’ve
worked out how to move Sketchup into AGI32, (B) need to perform daylighting
calcs or studies, as Visual doesn’t have this component, (C) special/complicated
applications, such as sports pool surface illuminance calcs, or (D) required to
use AGI32 for some extraneous reason. My general aversion is really only
rooted in the (to me) unintuitive UI, which if were all I ever used would be
something I’m sure I could get used to. Again I find I get simpler
work done much faster in Visual if only because it’s what I’m
familiar with. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Speaking specifically to daylighting with AGI32 – it could
certainly be easier, but AGI32 produces something I’ve struggled to achieve
with other packages: accuracy. I can model my office building from my
desk, calculate the solar contributions at the current instant at a specific
point, then walk over and measure the exact same reading. It helps that I
happen to know our actual glazing properties and have a local calibration
factor to apply to standard IES sky models. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Let me offer a caution to you and anyone else seeking to get
started with daylighting studies, however: There will be a learning curve
with any new software, yes, but do not make the mistake of assuming that if you
can operate a software package that you will not need to progress along an
independent learning curve for knowledge in daylighting! After generating
your first believable rendering, it’s easy to fall into thinking you must
know what you’re doing. Read the IES Handbook to understand where
their standard sky models come from. Read up on the CIE models as well.
Test yourself and measure your results with existing spaces. There is a
lot to learn regarding the properties of glazing that you probably weren’t
required to learn for energy modeling/photometric software. Daylight
modeling is a specific skillset that requires knowledge unique from the average
photometric or energy-modeling pro. Just be careful to not treat it as
simply learning to generate numbers/pictures from another piece of software.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Speaking to another question you brought up: AGI32 does
import Autodesk’s dwg/dxf. Turning those into into a high quality
(and accurate) daylight rendering however does not happen at the push of a
button.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>PS: If you’re just looking to do fast, simply sun angle
studies without interreflections/soft shadows, and the ability to generate a
pretty rendering, I think you’d find the (free) Google Sketchup to be
right up your alley. The pro version offers Autodesk proprietary format
support among a myriad of other formats.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Phew! I’m off for the weekend =). Happy
Valentine’s everybody!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>~Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><img width=119 height=37 id="_x0000_i1027"
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>NICK CATON, E.I.T.</span></b><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#CC9900'>PROJECT ENGINEER</span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:#CC9900'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>25501 west valley parkway<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>olathe ks 66061<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>direct 913 344.0036<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>fax 913 345.0617<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>Check out our new web-site @ </span></i><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a
href="www.smithboucher.com" title="blocked::www.smithboucher.com"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>www.smithboucher.com</span></a></span><u><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span></u><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Eric O'Neill
[mailto:elo@MichaelsEngineering.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 12, 2010 3:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nick Caton; bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org; kwalkerman@gmail.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Bldg-sim] Daylighting Calculations for LEED<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Nick,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks for the heads up, this looks like something worth looking
into. How was the learning curve with the program? And are high quality
renderings fairly simple to produce if you have a dxf file? They have some nice
photo-quality renderings on their website, but it’d be nice to hear that
it doesn’t require gobs of time to produce.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Karen, we currently use Rayfront, and I think it takes some
workarounds to produce LEED documentation. I haven’t personally used it,
and I think it has a pretty steep learning curve. On the other hand, it
does produce some very nice renderings…If only reviewers appreciated
pretty pictures </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;
color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Eric<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nick Caton<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 12, 2010 3:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Umesh Atre; Karen Walkerman; bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Daylighting Calculations for LEED<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I regularly use AGI32 for any
daylighting studies, though I’ve not yet been involved in a project where
that credit was not handled by the non-photometric options of documenting compliance.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Here’s a quick writeup
describing how you can use AGI32 to handle the daylight factor grids for LEED
2.1 and 2009: <a href="http://www.agi32.com/kb/index.php?article=857">http://www.agi32.com/kb/index.php?article=857</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>~Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=119
height=37 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CAAC08.81C61A40"
alt="cid:489575314@22072009-0ABB"></span><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'>NICK CATON, E.I.T.</span></b><b><span
style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#CC9900'>PROJECT ENGINEER</span><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;color:#CC9900'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'>25501 west valley parkway<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'>olathe ks 66061<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'>direct 913 344.0036<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'>fax 913 345.0617<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'>Check out our new web-site @ </span></i><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a
href="www.smithboucher.com" title="blocked::www.smithboucher.com"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>www.smithboucher.com</span></a></span><u><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span></u><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Umesh Atre<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 12, 2010 2:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Karen Walkerman; bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Daylighting Calculations for LEED<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Karen,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:blue'>We have been using Daysim for the past few projects.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Karen
Walkerman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 12, 2010 10:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Bldg-sim] Daylighting Calculations for LEED</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'>Hi All,<br>
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What program do you use to complete the daylighting calculations for LEED IEQ
Credit 8.1 using the simulation method?<br>
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