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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Martin,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’ll argue that you should not need
to upgrade the envelope of an existing building to meet Section 5.4 except
where you are creating new envelope surfaces (such as new building additions). Likewise,
you should not need to improve the efficiency of existing equipment per Section
6.4, as long as you are not replacing it with new. The scope of Standard
90.1-2007 (and -2004) includes:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>new buildings and their systems<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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tab-stops:list .5in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
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color:navy'>new portions of buildings and their systems<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>new systems and equipment in existing buildings<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>My standard disclaimer that I am not a
LEED reviewer applies.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Bill<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;mso-no-proof:yes'>Pathfinder Engineers &
Architects LLP</span></font></b><b><font size=2 color=black
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color:black;mso-no-proof:yes'>Ext. 114</span></font><font size=1 color=navy><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Snarski, Marty<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, February 08, 2010
2:43 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Bldg-sim] LEED EA P2
requirement clarification</span></font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>There
is a debate going on in my office currently, regarding existing buildings and
their envelopes and what is required for EA Prerequisite 2.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>The
LEED 2009-NC Guide says:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> "To
achieve points using this credit, the proposed design must meet the following
criteria: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>-Comply
with the mandatory provisions (Sections 5.4, 6.4, 7.4, 8.4, 9.4 and 10.4) in
Standard 90.1-2007 (with errata but without addenda).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>-Inclusion
of all the energy costs within and associated with the building project.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>-Compare
against a baseline building that complies with Appendix G...... (we all
know about that part).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>What's
got the debate going is that part about Complying with the mandatory provisions
(particularly Section 5.4). Now, we do a lot of existing buildings,
wherein no insulation is added. I know that, when creating the energy
model, that when modeling existing buildings, or portions of existing
buildings, where no alterations are being made, that both the Proposed and
Baseline building are modeled with the as-existing construction. However,
it was brought up that, as the LEED Guide specifically calls out Section 5.4
(which I've been unable to find any mention of existing buildings), was
intentional, to for any would-be LEED projects to bring their existing envelope
constructions up to Section 5.4 requirements. I've looked over the CIRs
and didn't find anything really telling.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Does
anyone have any insights or suggestions?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><br>
Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>Martin
Snarski </span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> LEED<sup>®</sup>
AP</span></font> <font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><br>
Mechanical Engineer</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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