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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#0000B4'>If you go by ASHRAE’s definitions, a non-tradable surface <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>(<i>LPD
</i>calculations for the following applications can be used only for the specific
application and cannot be traded between surfaces or with other exterior
lighting. The following allowances are in addition to any allowance otherwise
permitted in the “Tradable Surfaces” section of this table.)</span><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#0000B4'>If I am interpreting this correctly, this means that for a
building to comply, you have to comply for each tradable surface considered. So
for example if you have two illuminated facades 100 feet long, and you had
2W/lft on one of them and 5.5w/lft on the other, you would be in violation of
this because they are not tradable (even though the overall average is below
5w/lft).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#0000B4'>I see nothing in appendix G about non-tradable surfaces. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>weixiu kong<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 05, 2010 11:31 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Arvinder Dang; Robby Oylear; bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Exterior Lighting Power Calculation for
BuildingFacades<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Arvinder,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I got the interpretation from one of the LEED reviewers. And
I think it <br>
agrees with how you show compliance for non-tradable surfaces.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Weixiu<o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Arvinder Dang <Arvinder.Dang@som.com><br>
<b>To:</b> Robby Oylear <robbyo@rushingco.com>;
"bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org"
<bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Fri, February 5, 2010 4:38:16 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Exterior Lighting Power Calculation for Building
Facades</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Weixiu</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Are you sure about your interpretation of the non-tradable
surfaces. If I understand correctly what you are saying is that even though my
proposed design uses less lighting power compared to the baseline for the
non-tradable surfaces I cannot get an benefit from those savings.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> My understanding was that total of tradable and
nontradable should be less than the overall allowance +5% additional
unrestricted allowance. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Each category of tradable does not have to comply prescriptively
and can be higher than base allowance in some cases and have increased savings
in another. For example my overall lighting energy use can be higher for say
parking area compared to the base allowance as long as I compensate that
additional power by increased savings in another category say plaza area.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>On the contrary one has to meet the prescriptive requirements
for each category of non tradable surfaces and cannot exceed the allowance.
Increased building façade lighting cannot be compensated by reduced gatehouse
inspection station lighting.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Can someone please confirm this. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>In my model I have significant savings in non-tradable lighting
and I have been modeling Ashrae allowance for non tradable area based on area
being lit in base case and actually proposed design wattage and lighting power
in the proposed case which is much lower. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robby
Oylear<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 05, 2010 5:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Exterior Lighting Power Calculation for Building
Facades</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Weixiu,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The problem I am having is that I do not understand how to
correctly calculate the baseline power allowance. Part of the mandatory
provisions of section 9.4.5 states that you cannot exceed the baseline exterior
lighting power allowance with your proposed building. By incorrectly
calculating the baseline exterior lighting and showing this in my model the
LEED reviewer has flagged my EAp2 credit for denial due to not complying with
the mandatory provisions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>In short, I need to reply back with a corrected baseline
lighting power allowance, which I am having trouble with due to the unclear
definition of “illuminated wall”.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>weixiu kong<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Robby Oylear; bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Exterior Lighting Power Calculation for Building
Facades</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Robby,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>My understanding is: since this is a non-tradable surface,
base line and proposed design should be the same even though it is well below
allowances.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Robby Oylear <robbyo@rushingco.com><br>
<b>To:</b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thu, February 4, 2010 10:21:28 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Bldg-sim] Exterior Lighting Power Calculation for Building
Facades</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Can anyone with experience showing compliance with ASHRAE
90.1-2004 section 9.4.5 enlighten me as how the baseline calculation should be
done? <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>The confusion I’m having is with the definition of an
illuminated wall or surface length when applying the 5.0 W/linear foot
allowance for building façades. How is the lineal footage of an
illuminated wall determined? <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>For example, if a 100’ wide wall has one exterior lighting
fixture on it at the center, is the entire wall considered to be illuminated
and thus the baseline lighting power allowance is 500W? Or is there some
method of determining the actual portion of the wall that is illuminated?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>This came up on a LEED project where I had applied table
9.4.5 as conservatively as possible and only considered a portion of the wall
to be illuminated at each fixture. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Any help would be greatly appreciated.<o:p></o:p></p>
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