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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Yes, I guess I should have been
more clear, but that is the ONLY way my projects have been accepted by LEED
reviewers. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>In the end, I suppose the
reviewer very well might allow you to use more OA in the proposed since it
would disadvantage the proposed energy usage, and hence energy cost savings. That
being said, I’m sure somebody on this list can come up with a scenario
where this would give an advantage to the proposed design. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Demi","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Nathan Miller</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
color:#1F497D'>Senior Energy Engineer/Mechanical Engineer<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
color:#1F497D'>direct: 206.788.4577<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>fax: 206.285.7111 </span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Steven Rutter
[mailto:srutter@airsystems1.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 19, 2009 1:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nathan Miller; Rimes, Christie; bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [BULK] RE: [Bldg-sim] Baseline Modeling for LEED<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thank you for the quick
response. Has anyone done this for a LEED building and had success going
through the LEED acceptance process using the same outdoor air flow rates for
both baseline and proposed?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:gray'>Steven Rutter, LEED</span></b><b><sup><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:gray'>®</span></sup></b><b><sup><span
style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:gray'> </span></sup></b><b><span
style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:gray'>AP, EIT</span><span
style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:#1F497D'><img
width=180 height=44 id="_x0000_i1027" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CA691F.80D8B970"
alt="cid:665444518@16012009-36B3"><br>
</span><b><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:gray'>3850 Happy
Lane|Sacramento, CA 95827<br>
O:916-368-0336|F:916-368-0337|C:916-717-7484</span></b><span style='font-family:
"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Nathan Miller
[mailto:nathanm@rushingco.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 19, 2009 1:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Rimes, Christie'; Steven Rutter; bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [BULK] RE: [Bldg-sim] Baseline Modeling for LEED<br>
<b>Importance:</b> Low<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I disagree, I believe the models
should be same-same on ventilation rates. See section 90.1 (2004) Section
G3.1.2.5. It states:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>“Minimum outdoor air
ventilation rates should be the same for the proposed and baseline building
designs.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>In my projects (including those
that include 30% additional outside air), I have always used the same outdoor
air flow rates, unless I was taking credit for demand control ventilation in
the proposed case (see the exception allowed in that same ASHRAE section). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Demi","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Nathan Miller</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
color:#1F497D'>Senior Energy Engineer/Mechanical Engineer<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
color:#1F497D'>direct: 206.788.4577<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
color:#1F497D'>fax: 206.285.7111 </span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rimes,
Christie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 19, 2009 1:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Steven Rutter; bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Baseline Modeling for LEED<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>In my experience you do
not increase the baseline energy model as you are being awarded (gaining that
point) when you achieve the ventilation credit. There are a few similar
situations in LEED where by achieving one credit will prevent you from achieving
another but this happens to everyone so it works out to be somewhat fair. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><img width=591 height=170
id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image002.png@01CA691F.80D8B970"
alt="Christie Rimes, Building Simulation Analyst WSP Flack + Kurtz 405 Howard Street, Suite 500 San Francisco, CA 94105 Direct: 415.402.2727 Main Tel: 415.398.3833 Fax: 415.433.5311 website: http://www.wspfk.com vCard: http://vcards.wspfk.com/vcardloader.php?filename=flackkurtz-christie-rimes-wspfk-com-1255981339.vcf image: "><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Steven
Rutter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 19, 2009 1:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Bldg-sim] Baseline Modeling for LEED<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>All,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>There is a credit in LEED (EQc2.0) that involves increasing
the required ventilation rate by 30%. In trying to achieve this credit,
the amount of energy would have to increase to condition that additional 30%
OSA. Does anyone know if you are supposed to increase the baseline energy
model’s ventilation rate so it has the same ventilation rate as the
proposed building? Thank you in advance for your help.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:gray'>Steven Rutter, LEED</span></b><b><sup><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:gray'>®</span></sup></b><b><sup><span
style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:gray'> </span></sup></b><b><span
style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:gray'>AP, EIT</span><o:p></o:p></b></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><img width=180 height=44
id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CA691F.80D8B970"
alt="cid:665444518@16012009-36B3"><br>
<b><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:gray'>3850 Happy
Lane|Sacramento, CA 95827<br>
O:916-368-0336|F:916-368-0337|C:916-717-7484</span></b><span style='font-family:
"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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