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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’ve modeled a natatorium in TRACE
but it shouldn’t be a problem in eQUEST. The pool is a latent load on the
space and also a water heating load. You will need to know/select the water
temperature, space temperature, <span class=GramE>space</span> humidity and
ventilation rate. I suggest using the ASHRAE Handbook - Applications p4.6 for
guidance, as well as product literature for natatorium air handling systems. For
water heating, you will have to make up the latent load as well as account for emptying/refilling
the pool for regular cleaning.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jeff Haberl<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, November 02, 2009
9:29 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
'lasmith_architect.leed@yahoo.com'; 'bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Therapy
Pool Simulation</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>FYI. <br>
<br>
We tried to simulate this back in 1985 with DOE-2 by forcing the loads to equal
measured amounts and got somewhat close. Measured data included the pool
evaporation rate and ice rink refrigeration load. This was published in an
ASHRAE Transactions paper. <br>
<br>
Also, there are some papers published on predicted evaporation rates from
exposed pools. Several are listed in the apx to the FCHART manual. <br>
<br>
Otherwise, you can guess. <br>
<br>
Jeff <br>
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Jeff S. Haberl, Ph.D., P.E., FASHRAE...................jhaberl@esl.tamu.edu <br>
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<bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org> <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To</span></b>: bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org
<bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org> <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent</span></b>: Mon Nov 02 18:17:15 2009<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject</span></b>: [Bldg-sim] Therapy Pool
Simulation </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Has anyone used EQUEST to simulate an
indoor pool or therapy pool performance? If so please provide
some pointers. If not what program would you suggest using?<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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