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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Free sketchup is not going to support dwg
importing for much longer.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Jackson, Alan
[mailto:ajackson@klingstubbins.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, October 29, 2009
1:09 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
EnergyPlus_Support@yahoogroups.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bldg-sim]
[EnergyPlus_Support] I need advices for choosing a GUI</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>In what sense?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>If you mean it
doesn’t have every single capability of modeling like the IDF or Text
editor would, yes. But nothing does. It’s hard to keep up with the E+
developer cycle ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>If you mean it
doesn’t run off Energyplus 3.0. It does.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I don’t use it
because it’s too expensive. I prefer OpenStudio and the IDF
Editor/Textpad because you have access to all the capabilities that E+ has to
offer, but it took me years to become even semi comfortable (read: confident)
with modeling through a txt file. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Either way maybe
this should be moved over to BLDG-SIM. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;line-height:15.0pt'><font
size=1 color="#1f497d" face="Arial Black"><span style='font-size:8.0pt;
font-family:"Arial Black";color:#1F497D'>Alan Jackson, LEED AP<br>
KlingStubbins</span></font><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
EnergyPlus_Support@yahoogroups.com [mailto:EnergyPlus_Support@yahoogroups.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Emanuele Naboni<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, October 29, 2009
1:03 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
EnergyPlus_Support@yahoogroups.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [EnergyPlus_Support]
I need advices for choosing a GUI<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Yes, but Hevacomp does not have the capabilities of EnergyPlus.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>-- <br>
Emanuele Naboni<br>
<br>
per l'Italia: 346.4133337<br>
from US: +39.346.4133337<br>
skype: emanuelenaboni<br>
MArch, PhD Building Science, LEED AP, EU licensed architect<br>
<br>
Please consider the environment before printing this email.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>2009/10/29 Jackson, Alan <<a href="mailto:ajackson@klingstubbins.com">ajackson@klingstubbins.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>You should look into Hevacomp which is
being revamped for the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region>.
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><font size=1 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:8.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Alan Jackson, LEED AP<br>
KlingStubbins</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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background:white'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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background:white'><b><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:EnergyPlus_Support@yahoogroups.com"
target="_blank">EnergyPlus_Support@yahoogroups.com</a> [mailto:<a
href="mailto:EnergyPlus_Support@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">EnergyPlus_Support@yahoogroups.com</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Josh K<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, October 29, 2009
12:00 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:EnergyPlus_Support@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">EnergyPlus_Support@yahoogroups.com</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [EnergyPlus_Support]
I need advices for choosing a GUI</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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background:white'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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background:white'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p style='background:white'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hello;<br>
<br>
My feeling is that their currently is not a *perfect* GUI for EnergyPlus,
especially if you're interested in interoperability (ie IFC, gbXML, etc).
Designbuilder seems to be getting closest in this regard, but when I tested it
a while ago I found the modelling interface to be a bit clumsy and restrictive.
OpenStudio is not bad, but still needs a little work to be practical for every
day use (for instance, to my knowledge there is currently no good way to
specify a heat transfer surface's adjacency conditions). I currently use
ECOTECT, which had a lot of promise when I started using it three years ago but
has progressed exactly zero since then. I don't know much about the other
system you mention.<br>
<br>
To summarize: the three you mention will all probably work for you, and each
have their own advantages and disadvantages. If you're specifically interested
in IFC compatibility, I'm not sure about the status of DesignBuilder in this
respect, but neither OpenStudio nor ECOTECT currently have this capability. <br>
<br>
Josh<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 7:14 AM, bcavallier <<a
href="mailto:bruno.cavallier@femto-st.fr" target="_blank">bruno.cavallier@femto-st.fr</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
Hello,<br>
<br>
I want to learn EnergyPlus but I need a GUI. As it is a new activity for me, I
would like to find the better couple [E+/GUI] regarding my needs. I am mainly
interested in building energy simulation, particularly on the topics of energy
efficiency and the smart use of solar energy for solar passive designing. I saw
a lot of software on the web : Google Sketch Up with Openstudio, Designbuilder
(well described at Harvard), Ecotect...<br>
<br>
How can I make the best choice? My choice will use the IFC standard. I saw another
software : Digital Project of Gehry Technologies which is based on Catia
(Dassault Systemes) that works with IFC standards, but has anyone made
simulation with [E+/this soft]?<br>
<br>
Could you give me advices, please...<br>
<br>
Best regards<br>
<br>
B.Cavallier<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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-- <br>
Josh Kjenner, P.Eng., LEED AP<br>
Manasc Isaac Architects Ltd.<br>
10225 100 Avenue :: <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Edmonton</st1:City>,
<st1:State w:st="on">AB</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">T5J 0A1</st1:PostalCode></st1:place><br>
780.429.3977<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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-- <br>
Emanuele Naboni<br>
<br>
per l'Italia: 346.4133337<br>
from US: +39.346.4133337<br>
skype: emanuelenaboni<br>
<a href="http://www.emanuele-naboni.com">www.emanuele-naboni.com</a> <br>
sustainable design consultant - consulente per la sostenibilita' di tecnologie,
edifici e citta'<br>
MArch, PhD Building Science, LEED AP, EU licensed architect<br>
<br>
Please consider the environment before printing this email.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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