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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>That did the trick. Thanks for the help.
And it seems I had to introduce different controls then I was at the time in
order to get the storage tank to provide capacity to the loop at the
appropriate time. For others, this is detailed in STORE-MAX-LOAD of DOE
documentation. Example below.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>CHILLERS-1 =
(CHLR-A,CHLR-B)<br>
CHILLERS-SEQ-1 =
( 1, 2) <br>
STORE-SEQ-1 =
(3)<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font face=Tahoma><span
style='font-family:Tahoma'> bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Eric Studer<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August 11, 2009
6:37 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Alan Jackson;
bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Thermal
Storage Controls</span></font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I get that error when I do novel things,
too, and it goes away when I change the loop sizing type from secondary (the
default) to primary. You may get a warning afterwards that says that the
loop is undersized for the connected load. I ignore these warnings since
the loop is sized based on the primary equipment capacity (which should be
sufficient).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I hope this is helpful!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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style='font-family:Tahoma'> bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Alan Jackson<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 10, 2009 4:53
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Bldg-sim] Thermal
Storage Controls</span></font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I am modelling the cost benefits of creating chilled water/ice
at night so I have added a thermal storage tank and set up a secondary chiller
and loop to serve the storage tank. I have assigned an on/off schedule to the
TES chiller so that it operates only at night, but I have also added equipment
controls so that it has first priority for cooling. This was my initial thought
on getting it to operate at night but not during the day. I am getting an error
“Ice Water Loop has zero design flow”. At first I figured this was
because I had no size for the storage tank selected so I started off small and
through a 50 ton tank in the capacity field. Still receiving the same error.
Does this have to be sized manually?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Here are the controls:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>"Chiller Controls" =
EQUIP-CTRL <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>
TYPE =
COOLING<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> CIRCULATION-LOOP = "Chilled Water <st1:place
w:st="on">Loop</st1:place>"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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CHILLERS-1 = ( "Ice Chiller" )<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>
CHILLERS-2 = ( "Air Cooled Chiller
1" )<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> ..<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>and the tank<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>"Ice Storage" = THERMAL-STORAGE <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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TYPE =
COLD-WATER-TANK<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>
CAPACITY = 600<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> CHRG-LOOP
= "Ice Water <st1:place w:st="on">Loop</st1:place>"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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CHRG-SCH = "Ice Making
Schedule Annual"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>
DCHRG-LOOP = "Chilled Water <st1:place
w:st="on">Loop</st1:place>"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thanks in advance<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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