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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’ve chatted with Rashmi and feel
like others may want to know how this can be done in the future... Also
copying [Equest-users] on this discussion as advised by a list administrator.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>See attached screengrab for a simple
visual of how I accomplished this...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Setting up the 4-pipe system sourced from
a closed ground loop:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<ol style='margin-top:0in' start=1 type=1>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:navy;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Create
a ‘chiller’ of the type ‘water-to-water heat pump’<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:navy;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Create
an independent circulation loop of the type ‘lake/well’<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:navy;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Create
a ground loop heat exchanger of the type ‘lake/well’<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:navy;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Select
as the chiller CW loop and GLHX circulation loop the independent loop you
created – they should connect without errors<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:navy;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Assign
a custom temperature schedule for the lake/well ground loop in the screen
that pops up when you double click the GLHX (read on)<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:navy;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Make
sure the default head/pump properties for the circulation loop and GLHX
make sense for your system – adjust as necessary. (i.e. if
it’s a closed ground loop, there shouldn’t be static head)<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ol>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The tricky thing is that both Rashmi and I
were dealing with closed-loop ground heat exchanger (not lake/well). The
solution I came to model this was to temporarily save the project in a separate
directory to keep my work, then go back to the wizards and heat/cool the same
building reasonably using the DX/DX heating/cooling ground source heatpump
option, with all appropriate ground and field properties well defined. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Once this is done, you can have eQuest
additionally generate an hourly report over of the resulting ground loop
temperatures throughout the year (actual procedure eludes my memory, but
it’s in the archives). Once this is done, I used that raw data to
come up with the resulting weekly average temperatures in the ground loop using
excel. I then used these figures to create a custom temperature schedule
for the actual project, which was assigned to the GLHX as mentioned
above. This way you’re reasonably accurately representing what
temperatures the water-to-water equipment is seeing coming out of the ground
throughout the year based on your actual geographic, ground loop, and soil
condition variables as defined.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The final logical step, and one I’m
currently working on learning for myself, is defining a custom performance
curve for the water-to-water equipment that’s representative of the real
thing. I have been advised the default chiller curves as well as the
water-to-air heatpump curves from the Climatemaster eQuest add-on are not
appropriate for modeling water-to-water heatpumps. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Best of luck!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>PS: Apologies for the screenshot’s quality
– I had issues making it small enough for the mailing list to accept.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Anthony Hardman<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, July 24, 2009 10:13
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Rashmi Sonal'; <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bldg-sim] loop to
loop heatpump in equest</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Would the following
get you close enough (ignoring the DOAS side)?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Specify
a water-air HP system<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Zero
out the fan energy<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3)<font size=1
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Factor
the load side pumping energy into the EIR of the HP<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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mso-list:l2 level2 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>a.<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Alternatively, you could add your load side pump energy
to the source side pump<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Obviously there’s
limitations either way and I’ve never tried this, just thinking out loud.
Certainly someone else out there can comment who has attempted this?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D;font-weight:bold'>Anthony
Hardman<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Mechanical Engineer<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Rashmi Sonal<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, July 23, 2009 3:39
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Bldg-sim] loop to loop
heatpump in equest<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hi All, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I am trying to model a building with </span></font><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>water-to-water
heat pump connected to ground HX and 4-pipe AHUs with induction unit at the
terminal. </span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I have specified induction unit at the terminal, to
model active chilled beams, with a dedicated outdoor air unit. But with this configuration
on airside I am not able to attach the water to water heat pump to any
condenser water loop on the water side. Is there a way I can model GSHP serving
active chilled beams in equest?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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