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review teams are asking to see the total fan power for the baseline broken into
individual components and reported as such in the template for Energy and
Atmosphere Credit 1.&nbsp; The 90.1-2004 User&#8217;s Manual is also silent on
the issue; however it raises another issue.&nbsp; In the example (Example G-J
on page G-28) the calculations use total building supply CFM for an 80,000SF
medical office building. &nbsp;Since the baseline is System 5 in that example
and there would be multiple zones for the baseline, it appears that the
equation should be used for the whole building only and not individual systems.
&nbsp;Is this how you are applying the formulas?&nbsp; The user&#8217;s manual notes
that fan powered VAV boxes are NOT included in the total fan power number as
calculated from G3.1.2.9.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Ellen Franconi<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, July 02, 2009 7:37
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Vikram Sami; Bldg-Sim; Michael
I Rosenberg<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Appendix G
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>At my firm, we proportion the baseline total fan power
determined as an aggregated W/CFM&nbsp;based on&nbsp;&nbsp;the hp assigned
to&nbsp;the&nbsp;fan motors (supply, return, exhaust)&nbsp;in the design
documents. Of course this assumes that your baseline and
your&nbsp;proposed&nbsp;design have a one-to-one fan correspondence. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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Senior Energy Analyst<br>
Architectural Energy Corporation<br>
<st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">2540 Frontier Avenue</st1:address></st1:Street><br>
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tel. 303-444-4149<br>
fax 303-444-4303<br>
efranconi@archenergy.com<br>
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&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;Rosenberg, Michael I&quot; &lt;michael.rosenberg@pnl.gov&gt;
7/1/2009 4:48 PM &gt;&gt;&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>You have calculated the kW/cfm correctly according to the
2004 version of Appendix G. The allowance actually goes up a little in 2007,
for your case. As for the second part of your question, no you do not apply the
same kW/cfm to the exhaust fan. The calculated allowed fan power the total
allowed power for all fans that are part of the system, including the exhaust
fan. The cfm component is based on the supply fan cfm only. Unfortunately,
Appendix G gives no direction on how to divide the allowed fan power up among
the various fans in the system. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Vikram Sami<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 01, 2009
3:03 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Bldg-Sim<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Bldg-sim] Appendix G Fan
Power<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>G3.1.2.9
Gives you a formula for calculating system fan electrical power for supply,
return, exhaust and relief. Lets sat I have a zone with a PSZ-HP that has a
supply volume of 1500 cfm. Using this formula along with table G3.1.2.9 I get a
fan horse power of 1.29 and kW of 1.17. This equates to 0.00078 kW/cfm &#8211;
which seems really high. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>The
second part to my question is assuming I have 500cfm of exhaust in this zone,
do I apply the same kW/cfm to the exhaust fans as well as the return fans? It
seems that the lower the fan volume the more inefficient the Appendix G values
get from these tables. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Any
guidance would be much appreciated. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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