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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='color:#1F497D'>I agree with Mr.
Sheffer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='color:#1F497D'>I know this is an energy
simulation list & I am new to it but please do not lose sight of the fact
that LEED is NOT only about energy savings. It is also about indoor air
quality, recyclable/reusable material, site selection, building orientation,
and some more stuff I’m sure I forgot. I have experienced projects
that hit their budgets (non-LEED budgets). Unfortunately there is no
really accurate way to assess actual additional LEED cost if it exists (We believe
2-4%). If designed correctly the building is integrated and most parts
are inter-dependent. Therefore you cannot easily VE a LEED project by
changing or removing pieces and parts. I am LEED accredited so I
have a bias towards LEED but we are undoubtedly better designers as a result of
pursuing LEED certification.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='color:#1F497D'>I do not subscribe to
the global warming conciseness and do not believe we can save nor destroy the
planet, I do believe however, we should make fiscally and environmentally responsible
decisions. I don’t want to seem preachy but as design professionals
we must always strive for balance. We must select among the many systems
available, make responsible decisions for each project, and remember that no building
can be perfect.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='color:#1F497D'>Articles are written by
people. People have opinions. You know what they say about
opinions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='color:#1F497D'>Regards;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='font-size:22.0pt;font-family:"Brush Script MT";
color:#1F497D'>Wes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Wes Bonafe, P.E.</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br>
Chief Mechanical/Plumbing Engineer<br>
Vice President<br>
LEED Accredited Professional<br>
<br>
</span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>MOSELEY ARCHITECTS</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <br>
Architecture. Engineering. Interiors. Planning<br>
3200 Norfolk Street<br>
Richmond, VA 23230<br>
804.794.7555<br>
FAX 804.355.5690<br>
</span><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.moseleyarchitects.com/"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>www.moseleyarchitects.com</span></a></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br>
</span><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.moseleyprojects.com/"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>www.moseleyprojects.com</span></a></span><span
style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:green'><br>
Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.</span><span
style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Guedi
Capeluto<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 09, 2009 12:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Bldg-Sim'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Bldg-sim] FW: Cost of LEED certification<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:#333333'>I agree with Harvey too. Moreover, you can ask if LEED
(and others systems) necessarily <u>incentive</u> a climatic, energy-conscious
architectural design to achieve better performance buildings. I am afraid the
answer is not. I recommend the reading of a paper by Edna Shaviv in the last
PLEA in Dublin, "Passive and Low Energy Architecture (PLEA) vs. Green
Architecture (LEED)". <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:#333333'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:#333333'>In her conclusion she states:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='text-autospace:none'><i><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#333333'>"The fact that all energy saving
features are put in one basket, and the energy standard are defined in such a
way that the goals can be achieved with no need for good architectural design,
leads to the present situation. First, we should straggle first, that <b>Passive
Solar Design</b> will be treated as any other renewable energy, which means,
that it will be awarded twice. Second, the Building Code should treat the
energy conscious building design separately from the mechanical and the hot
water systems….."<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:#333333'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:#333333'>Guedi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy'>Arch.
Guedi Capeluto, D.Sc.</span></strong><b><span style='font-family:Univers;
color:navy'><br>
</span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:maroon'>Faculty of Architecture
and Town Planning<br>
Technion - Israel Institute of Technology<br>
</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:gray'>Technion City, Haifa
32000. </span><span lang=ES style='font-size:9.0pt;color:gray'>Israel<br>
Tel:+972.4.8294012 Fax:+972.4.8294617<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span lang=ES style='font-size:9.0pt;color:blue'>email: </span><span
lang=ES style='font-size:9.0pt;color:gray'>arrguedi@tx.technion.ac.il</span><span
lang=ES style='font-size:9.0pt;color:blue'><br>
web : </span><span lang=ES style='font-size:9.0pt;color:gray'>http://www.technion.ac.il/~arrguedi/</span><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Reinhart,
Christoph<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 2009-06-09 18:55<br>
<b>To:</b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Cost of LEED certification</span><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR>I agree with Harvey and further recommend a recent
paper by Newsham et. al. in <i>Energy and Buildings</i> titled ‘Do
LEED-certified buildings save energy? Yes, but…’ (<img border=0
width=1 height=10 id="Picture_x005f_x005f_x005f_x0020_1"
src="cid:image001.gif@01C9E8FF.BD44B170"
alt="http://www.sciencedirect.com/scidirimg/clear.gif"><a
href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.enbuild.2009.03.014" target=doilink><span
style='color:windowtext'>doi:10.1016/j.enbuild.2009.03.014</span></a>). The
authors also conducted a re-analysis of data supplied by the New Buildings
Institute. They found that ‘On average, LEED buildings used 18–39%
less energy per floor area than their conventional counterparts. However,
28–35% of LEED buildings used more energy than their conventional
counterparts.’ Somewhat sobering news for owners of LEED buildings.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR>Christoph<span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Christoph Reinhart, Dr. Ing. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Associate Professor of Architectural Technology</span><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Graduate School of Design - Harvard University</span><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Gund Hall 331b, 48 Quincy Street, Cambridge, MA 02138, USA</span><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>t: 617 384 7269, f: 617 495 8916, </span><span style='color:#1F497D'><a
href="mailto:reinhart@gsd.harvard.edu"><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"'>reinhart@gsd.harvard.edu</span></a></span><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Daylighting Design: <a
href="http://www.gsd.harvard.edu/people/faculty/reinhart/documents/DiffuseDaylightingDesignSequenceTutorial.pdf">Rules
of Thumb</a>, </span><span style='color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://www.daysim.com/"><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Simulation</span></a></span><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>, <a
href="http://execed.gsd.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/exec_ed/details.cgi?offering_id=101683">Executive
Education</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Harvey
Bryan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 08, 2009 5:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> sheffer@energyopportunities.com; paul.hay@phcjamaica.com; Bldg-Sim<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Cost of LEED certification<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Marcus and all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>While the cost of LEED Certification is important, equally
important are how well are LEED projects performing. The New Buildings
Institute study (March 2008) of 121 LEED NC v2 buildings certified through 2006
claimed “on average LEED energy use 25-30% better than the National Average.”
However a number of critics of this study has emerged, many of whom used the
same data that NBI used. Henry Gifford has question the methodology used in the
NBI study. The American Physical Society in their Energy Future: Think
Efficiency Report as well as Joe Lstiburek has also questioned the NBI study.
Now Dr. John Scofield from Oberlin has completed a detailed re-examination of
the NBI study and has found that “the NBI data shows that LEED
certification has done nothing to lower building primary energy consumption and
associated GHG emission.” I have attached his paper which will be
presented at the International Energy Program Evaluation Conference scheduled
for Portland, OR. August 11-14, 2009. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>I believe that the Bldg-Sim community needs to address this issue.
Otherwise the services that we perform will become seriously questioned by the
building profession. Even if LEED buildings cost more, which I believe most
building professionals and clients would accept. It is unacceptable if they can’t
deliver on energy performance. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Harvey Bryan</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>From:</b> bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marcus
Sheffer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 08, 2009 12:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> paul.hay@phcjamaica.com; Bldg-Sim<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Cost of LEED certification</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Paul
without seeing the articles to which you refer I really can’t comment
about the comparison of the studies. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Regarding
cost and LEED I can offer my own personal experience on more than 100
commercial projects pursuing LEED certification – none has even come
close to approaching the bottom end of the cost range in the ACC study. I
have no doubt that some projects are spending 4.5% to 11% more but frankly they
are using LEED the wrong way (as a checklist of independent variables in a
point hunting exercise) and the market will weed those practitioners out over
time. All things being equal LEED does add cost but it is only the
measuring tool. The real question is does a high performance green
building cost more? If done correctly my experience is that it does not.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>We
are currently working on a school project which is borderline Platinum.
It was bid last summer and came in significantly <u>under</u> budget and attracted
a $500,000 state grant. So the actual cost is less than conventional
overall even without the grant. Project cost drivers are primarily a
function of building type and location. Within those broad categories it
is about design choices, one can choose to focus resources on building
performance or on other priorities. Project teams who choose to focus on
the priorities spelled out in LEED can easily do so within the confines of a
conventional project budget. The rest is just a bit of paperwork.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>The
first time that an architectural firm had to use CAD drawings instead of
hand-drawn; the first time they had to comply with ADA; when major building
code changes occur – all of these things resulted in added costs.
As experience is gained costs come down significantly and the same thing is
happening with LEED (the ACC study indicates that this was likely to happen).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>The
real answer to your question is - “it depends” – on many
factors including team experience, priorities, project size, strategies, design
process, etc. You really can’t assume it costs more but if you do,
it probably will.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Marcus
Sheffer</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> P. Hay
[mailto:phay@cwjamaica.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 08, 2009 2:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Marcus Sheffer; Bldg-Sim<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Bldg-sim] Cost of LEED certification</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks
for the links Marcus. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>I
have scanned the Langdon document and even looked at later articles written on
the topic. They agree that the Langdon study is more comprehensive but
still gravitate towards the costing provided by the American Chemistry Council.
My take on the matter is that the real issue here is not whether LEED
certification costs more, but how much does it cost: both in terms of time and
expense.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Paul
Hay</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Partner</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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HAY Capital Projects</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Cassia Park Road</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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10</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Jamaica,
W.I.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>tel:
1 (876) 756-0631</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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1 (876) 324-4274</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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www.phcjamaica.com</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marcus
Sheffer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 08, 2009 11:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> paul.hay@phcjamaica.com; Bldg-Sim<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Cost of LEED certification</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Anyone’s
first LEED project requires an investment of time to learn how to do it.
This learning curve is somewhat steep but once you learn how to do, actually
doing it takes considerably less time. Outside soft costs (commissioning,
energy modeling and LEED documentation) if you are spending a dime more for
construction costs than conventional for LEED Certified or Silver then you have
made an optional choice or are not properly applying the system. Many
projects attain the Gold certification level without an increase in
construction costs. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>There
have been several cost studies over the years than do not show that LEED
requires the type of investment purported by the American Chemistry
Council. Here are some links:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://www.cap-e.com/publications/default.cfm">http://www.cap-e.com/publications/default.cfm</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://www.davislangdon.com/USA/Research/ResearchFinder/2007-The-Cost-of-Green-Revisited/">http://www.davislangdon.com/USA/Research/ResearchFinder/2007-The-Cost-of-Green-Revisited/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>The
Davis Langdon study above is far more thorough and comprehensive than the much
older ACC report which relies on a considerable amount of early anecdotal
evidence.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>In
many respects the cost of LEED comes down to what you assign to LEED as an
“extra” cost. Many teams have figured out how to neutralize
even the added soft costs through an integrative design process. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Marcus
Sheffer</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>7group
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>P. Hay<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 08, 2009 11:36 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bldg-Sim<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Bldg-sim] Cost of LEED certification</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'>I recall someone once asked
about the time needed to be spent on LEED certification. Well, I have
just come across a report prepared by Northbridge Environmental Management
Consultants <http://www.nbenvironmental.com> entitled <u>Analyzing the
Cost of obtaining LEED Certification</u>, which is available online at the
following link: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'><a
href="http://www.cleanair-coolplanet.org/for_communities/LEED_links/AnalyzingtheCostofLEED.pdf">http://www.cleanair-coolplanet.org/for_communities/LEED_links/AnalyzingtheCostofLEED.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'>It indicates that the
documentation takes 226 working hours on average to prepare and costs between
US$8,000 - US$70,000 per project: the first project costing between US$30,000 -
US$60,000.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'>Paul Hay<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'>Managing Partner<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'>15a Cassia Park Road<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'>Kingston 10<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'>Jamaica, W.I.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'>tel: 1 (876) 756-0631<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'>cel: 1 (876) 324-4274<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:.5in'>fax: 1 (876) 756-0631<o:p></o:p></p>
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