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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
color="#333333" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#333333'>I
agree with <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Harvey</st1:City></st1:place>
too. Moreover, you can ask if LEED (and others systems) necessarily <u>incentive</u>
a climatic, energy-conscious architectural design to achieve better performance
buildings. I am afraid the answer is not. I recommend the reading of a paper by
Edna Shaviv in the last PLEA in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Dublin</st1:City></st1:place>,
"Passive and Low Energy Architecture (PLEA) vs. Green Architecture
(LEED)". <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
color="#333333" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#333333'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
color="#333333" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#333333'>In her
conclusion she states:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='text-autospace:none'><i><font size=3
color="#333333" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#333333;
font-style:italic'>"The fact that all energy saving features are put in
one basket, and the energy standard are defined in such a way that the goals
can be achieved with no need for good architectural design, leads to the
present situation. First, we should straggle first, that <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Passive Solar Design</span></b> will be treated as any
other renewable energy, which means, that it will be awarded twice. Second, the
Building Code should treat the energy conscious building design separately from
the mechanical and the hot water systems….."<o:p></o:p></span></font></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
color="#333333" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#333333'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
color="#333333" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#333333'>Guedi<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><strong><b><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'>Arch. Guedi Capeluto, D.Sc.</span></font></b></strong><b><font
color=navy face=Univers><span style='font-family:Univers;color:navy;font-weight:
bold'><br>
</span></font></b><font size=1 color=maroon><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
color:maroon'>Faculty of Architecture and Town Planning<br>
Technion - Israel Institute of Technology<br>
</span></font><NS0:PLACENAME u2:insAuthor="Guedi Capeluto" u2:insDate="2006-05-30T13:10:00Z" u2:endInsAuthor="Guedi Capeluto" u2:endInsDate="2006-05-30T13:10:00Z"><NS0:PLACENAME u2:insAuthor="Guedi Capeluto" u2:insDate="2006-05-30T13:10:00Z" u2:endInsAuthor="Guedi Capeluto" u2:endInsDate="2006-05-30T13:10:00Z"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on"><font size=1 color=gray><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:gray'>Technion</NS0:PLACENAME></NS0:PLACENAME></span></font></st1:PlaceName><font
size=1 color=gray><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:gray'> <NS0:PLACETYPE u3:insAuthor="Guedi Capeluto" u3:insDate="2006-05-30T13:10:00Z" u3:endInsAuthor="Guedi Capeluto" u3:endInsDate="2006-05-30T13:10:00Z"><NS0:PLACETYPE u3:insAuthor="Guedi Capeluto" u3:insDate="2006-05-30T13:10:00Z" u3:endInsAuthor="Guedi Capeluto" u3:endInsDate="2006-05-30T13:10:00Z"><st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">City</NS0:PLACETYPE></NS0:PLACETYPE></st1:PlaceType>, <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Haifa</st1:City></st1:place> 32000. </span></font><font
size=1 color=gray><span lang=ES style='font-size:9.0pt;color:gray'>Israel<br>
Tel:+972.4.8294012 Fax:+972.4.8294617<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><font size=1 color=blue face=Calibri><span lang=ES style='font-size:9.0pt;
color:blue'>email: </span></font><font size=1 color=gray><span
lang=ES style='font-size:9.0pt;color:gray'>arrguedi@tx.technion.ac.il</span></font><font
size=1 color=blue><span lang=ES style='font-size:9.0pt;color:blue'><br>
web : </span></font><font color=blue><span style='color:blue'><a
href="blocked::http://tx.technion.ac.il/~arrguedi"
title="blocked::http://tx.technion.ac.il/~arrguedi
http://tx.technion.ac.il/~arrguedi"></a></span></font><font
size=1 color=gray><span lang=ES style='font-size:9.0pt;color:gray'>http://www.technion.ac.il/~arrguedi/</span></font><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Reinhart, Christoph<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 2009-06-09 18:55<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Cost of
LEED certification</span></font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt'>I agree with <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Harvey</st1:City></st1:place>
and further recommend a recent paper by Newsham et. al. in <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>Energy and Buildings</span></i> titled
‘Do LEED-certified buildings save energy? Yes, but…’ (<img
border=0 width=1 height=10 id="Picture_x005f_x005f_x005f_x0020_1"
src="cid:image001.gif@01C9E938.72780B40"
alt="http://www.sciencedirect.com/scidirimg/clear.gif"><a
href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.enbuild.2009.03.014" target=doilink><font
color=black><span style='color:windowtext'>doi:10.1016/j.enbuild.2009.03.014</span></font></a>).
The authors also conducted a re-analysis of data supplied by the New Buildings
Institute. They found that ‘On average, LEED buildings used 18–39%
less energy per floor area than their conventional counterparts. However,
28–35% of LEED buildings used more energy than their conventional
counterparts.’ Somewhat sobering news for owners of LEED buildings.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt'>Christoph<font color="#1f497d"><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=1 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Christoph Reinhart, Dr.
Ing. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=1 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Associate Professor of
Architectural Technology</span></font><font size=1 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=1 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Graduate <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">School</st1:PlaceType> of <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Design</st1:PlaceName>
- <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Harvard</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">University</st1:PlaceType></st1:place></span></font><font size=1
color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=1 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Gund Hall 331b, <st1:place
w:st="on">48 Quincy Street, <st1:City w:st="on">Cambridge</st1:City>, <st1:State
w:st="on">MA</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">02138</st1:PostalCode>, <st1:country-region
w:st="on">USA</st1:country-region></st1:place></span></font><font size=1
color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=1 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>t: 617 384 7269, f: 617
495 8916, </span></font><font color="#1f497d"><span style='color:#1F497D'><a
href="mailto:reinhart@gsd.harvard.edu"><font size=1 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial'>reinhart@gsd.harvard.edu</span></font></a></span></font><font
size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=1 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Daylighting Design: <a
href="http://www.gsd.harvard.edu/people/faculty/reinhart/documents/DiffuseDaylightingDesignSequenceTutorial.pdf">Rules
of Thumb</a>, </span></font><font color="#1f497d"><span style='color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://www.daysim.com/"><font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:
7.5pt;font-family:Arial'>Simulation</span></font></a></span></font><font
size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>, <a
href="http://execed.gsd.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/exec_ed/details.cgi?offering_id=101683">Executive
Education</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=1 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Harvey Bryan<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 08, 2009 5:14
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
sheffer@energyopportunities.com; paul.hay@phcjamaica.com; Bldg-Sim<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Cost of
LEED certification<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Marcus and all,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>While the cost of LEED
Certification is important, equally important are how well are LEED projects
performing. The New Buildings Institute study (March 2008) of 121 <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">LEED</st1:City> <st1:State w:st="on">NC</st1:State></st1:place>
v2 buildings certified through 2006 claimed “on average LEED energy use
25-30% better than the National Average.” However a number of critics of
this study has emerged, many of whom used the same data that NBI used. Henry
Gifford has question the methodology used in the NBI study. The American
Physical Society in their Energy Future: Think Efficiency Report as well as Joe
Lstiburek has also questioned the NBI study. Now Dr. John Scofield from Oberlin
has completed a detailed re-examination of the NBI study and has found that
“the NBI data shows that LEED certification has done nothing to lower
building primary energy consumption and associated GHG emission.” I have
attached his paper which will be presented at the International Energy Program
Evaluation Conference scheduled for <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Portland</st1:City>,
<st1:State w:st="on">OR</st1:State></st1:place>. August 11-14, 2009. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I believe that the
Bldg-Sim community needs to address this issue. Otherwise the services that we
perform will become seriously questioned by the building profession. Even if LEED
buildings cost more, which I believe most building professionals and clients
would accept. It is unacceptable if they can’t deliver on energy
performance. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Harvey Bryan</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Marcus Sheffer<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 08, 2009 12:38
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> paul.hay@phcjamaica.com;
Bldg-Sim<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Cost of
LEED certification</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Paul
without seeing the articles to which you refer I really can’t comment
about the comparison of the studies. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Regarding
cost and LEED I can offer my own personal experience on more than 100
commercial projects pursuing LEED certification – none has even come
close to approaching the bottom end of the cost range in the ACC study. I
have no doubt that some projects are spending 4.5% to 11% more but frankly they
are using LEED the wrong way (as a checklist of independent variables in a
point hunting exercise) and the market will weed those practitioners out over
time. All things being equal LEED does add cost but it is only the
measuring tool. The real question is does a high performance green
building cost more? If done correctly my experience is that it does not.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>We
are currently working on a school project which is borderline Platinum.
It was bid last summer and came in significantly <u>under</u> budget and
attracted a $500,000 state grant. So the actual cost is less than
conventional overall even without the grant. Project cost drivers are
primarily a function of building type and location. Within those broad
categories it is about design choices, one can choose to focus resources on
building performance or on other priorities. Project teams who choose to
focus on the priorities spelled out in LEED can easily do so within the
confines of a conventional project budget. The rest is just a bit of
paperwork.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>The
first time that an architectural firm had to use CAD drawings instead of
hand-drawn; the first time they had to comply with <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">ADA</st1:City></st1:place>; when major building code changes occur
– all of these things resulted in added costs. As experience is
gained costs come down significantly and the same thing is happening with LEED
(the ACC study indicates that this was likely to happen).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>The
real answer to your question is - “it depends” – on many
factors including team experience, priorities, project size, strategies, design
process, etc. You really can’t assume it costs more but if you do,
it probably will.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Marcus
Sheffer</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>7group</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> P. Hay
[mailto:phay@cwjamaica.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 08, 2009 2:33
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Marcus Sheffer; Bldg-Sim<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Bldg-sim] Cost of
LEED certification</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Thanks
for the links Marcus. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I
have scanned the Langdon document and even looked at later articles written on
the topic. They agree that the Langdon study is more comprehensive but
still gravitate towards the costing provided by the American Chemistry Council.
My take on the matter is that the real issue here is not whether LEED
certification costs more, but how much does it cost: both in terms of time and
expense.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Paul
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Marcus Sheffer<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 08, 2009 11:39
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> paul.hay@phcjamaica.com;
Bldg-Sim<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Cost of
LEED certification</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Anyone’s
first LEED project requires an investment of time to learn how to do it.
This learning curve is somewhat steep but once you learn how to do, actually
doing it takes considerably less time. Outside soft costs (commissioning,
energy modeling and LEED documentation) if you are spending a dime more for
construction costs than conventional for LEED Certified or Silver then you have
made an optional choice or are not properly applying the system. Many
projects attain the Gold certification level without an increase in
construction costs. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>There
have been several cost studies over the years than do not show that LEED
requires the type of investment purported by the American Chemistry
Council. Here are some links:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://www.cap-e.com/publications/default.cfm">http://www.cap-e.com/publications/default.cfm</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://www.davislangdon.com/USA/Research/ResearchFinder/2007-The-Cost-of-Green-Revisited/">http://www.davislangdon.com/USA/Research/ResearchFinder/2007-The-Cost-of-Green-Revisited/</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>The
Davis Langdon study above is far more thorough and comprehensive than the much
older ACC report which relies on a considerable amount of early anecdotal
evidence.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>In
many respects the cost of LEED comes down to what you assign to LEED as an
“extra” cost. Many teams have figured out how to neutralize
even the added soft costs through an integrative design process. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Marcus
Sheffer</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>7group
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>P. Hay<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 08, 2009 11:36
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Bldg-Sim<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Bldg-sim] Cost of LEED
certification</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>I recall someone once asked about
the time needed to be spent on LEED certification. Well, I have just come
across a report prepared by Northbridge Environmental Management Consultants
<http://www.nbenvironmental.com> entitled <u>Analyzing the Cost of
obtaining LEED Certification</u>, which is available online at the following
link: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><a
href="http://www.cleanair-coolplanet.org/for_communities/LEED_links/AnalyzingtheCostofLEED.pdf">http://www.cleanair-coolplanet.org/for_communities/LEED_links/AnalyzingtheCostofLEED.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>It indicates that the documentation
takes 226 working hours on average to prepare and costs between US$8,000 -
US$70,000 per project: the first project costing between US$30,000 - US$60,000.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Paul Hay<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Managing Partner<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>PAUL HAY Capital Projects<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-style:italic'>Strategic
Facility Planning and Implementation</span></font></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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W.I.<o:p></o:p></p>
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