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<DIV><SPAN class=214274721-08062009><FONT face=Univers color=#0000ff size=2>I
think we're entering a whole new area of discussion rife with controversy, but I
can't help but throw in my two cents.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=214274721-08062009><FONT face=Univers color=#0000ff size=2>In
terms of Marcus's last point, I think one of the quickest and easiest ways to
improve LEED in terms of delivering energy performance is to split the M&V
credit along commissioning lines and have a minimum level of M&V mandatory
as a prerequisite. This way LEED would finally mandate a move away from
predicted energy use and begin to close the energy loop. Another idea is
to make LEED EB certification a requirement for LEED-NC buildings after say 5
years. At a minimum, make re-commissioning every 5 years an on-going
credit. As Straube pointed out in the article I linked, operational energy
is what's driving this environmental train-wreck, but it's not what LEED or the
design community at large is focusing on unfortunately. Nor is there any
focus to educate building owners and operators on how to properly run all these
"high-performance" buildings full of all this wonderful
technology.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=214274721-08062009><FONT face=Univers color=#0000ff size=2>Once
M&V becomes a requirement, our community will need to educate ourselves on
how buildings actually work and begin the difficult task of creating calibrated
simulations that include all energy uses and account for weather, occupancy and
operation.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Marcus
Sheffer<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 08, 2009 5:45 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Harvey
Bryan'; paul.hay@phcjamaica.com; Bldg-Sim<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Bldg-sim] Cost
of LEED certification<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">On your last point I agree
whole-heartedly!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">Without entering that data
quagmire, I suggest that we all need to do a better job of understanding
building energy use, gathering more data, connecting modeled and actual
performance, developing better tools, producing more informed modelers, creating
performance feedback loops for designers, developing better metrics, etc. to
make sure LEED and other systems produce the right signals and improve
performance.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">If anyone has any thoughts on
how to improve LEED to ensure better performance feel free to pitch in and help
us make it better.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">Marcus Sheffer, Vice-Chair EA
TAG, USGBC<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">7group<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> Harvey Bryan
[mailto:Harvey.Bryan@asu.edu] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 08, 2009 5:14
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Marcus Sheffer; paul.hay@phcjamaica.com;
Bldg-Sim<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Bldg-sim] Cost of LEED
certification<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Marcus
and all,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">While
the cost of LEED Certification is important, equally important are how well are
LEED projects performing. The New Buildings Institute study (March 2008) of 121
LEED NC v2 buildings certified through 2006 claimed “on average LEED energy use
25-30% better than the National Average.” However a number of critics of this
study has emerged, many of whom used the same data that NBI used. Henry Gifford
has question the methodology used in the NBI study. The American Physical
Society in their Energy Future: Think Efficiency Report as well as Joe Lstiburek
has also questioned the NBI study. Now Dr. John Scofield from Oberlin has
completed a detailed re-examination of the NBI study and has found that “the NBI
data shows that LEED certification has done nothing to lower building primary
energy consumption and associated GHG emission.” I have attached his paper which
will be presented at the International Energy Program Evaluation Conference
scheduled for Portland, OR. August 11-14, 2009. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I
believe that the Bldg-Sim community needs to address this issue. Otherwise the
services that we perform will become seriously questioned by the building
profession. Even if LEED buildings cost more, which I believe most building
professionals and clients would accept. It is unacceptable if they can’t deliver
on energy performance. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Regards</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Harvey
Bryan</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Harvey Bryan, Ph.D.,
FAIA, LEED AP</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Professor
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">School of
Architecture & Landscape Architecture</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">School of
Sustainability</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Arizona State
University</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">P.O. Box
871605</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Tempe, AZ.
85287-1605</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Tel:
(480)965-6094</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><A
href="mailto:harvey.bryan@asu.edu">harvey.bryan@asu.edu</A></SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Marcus
Sheffer<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 08, 2009 12:38 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
paul.hay@phcjamaica.com; Bldg-Sim<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Bldg-sim] Cost of LEED
certification</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">Paul
without seeing the articles to which you refer I really can’t comment about the
comparison of the studies. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d">Regarding cost and LEED I can offer my own personal
experience on more than 100 commercial projects pursuing LEED certification –
none has even come close to approaching the bottom end of the cost range in the
ACC study. I have no doubt that some projects are spending 4.5% to 11%
more but frankly they are using LEED the wrong way (as a checklist of
independent variables in a point hunting exercise) and the market will weed
those practitioners out over time. All things being equal LEED does add
cost but it is only the measuring tool. The real question is does a high
performance green building cost more? If done correctly my experience is
that it does not.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">We
are currently working on a school project which is borderline Platinum. It
was bid last summer and came in significantly <U>under</U> budget and attracted
a $500,000 state grant. So the actual cost is less than conventional
overall even without the grant. Project cost drivers are primarily a
function of building type and location. Within those broad categories it
is about design choices, one can choose to focus resources on building
performance or on other priorities. Project teams who choose to focus on
the priorities spelled out in LEED can easily do so within the confines of a
conventional project budget. The rest is just a bit of
paperwork.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">The
first time that an architectural firm had to use CAD drawings instead of
hand-drawn; the first time they had to comply with ADA; when major building code
changes occur – all of these things resulted in added costs. As experience
is gained costs come down significantly and the same thing is happening with
LEED (the ACC study indicates that this was likely to
happen).</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">The
real answer to your question is - “it depends” – on many factors including team
experience, priorities, project size, strategies, design process, etc. You
really can’t assume it costs more but if you do, it probably
will.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="COLOR: #1f497d"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d">Marcus Sheffer</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="COLOR: #1f497d">7group</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> P. Hay
[mailto:phay@cwjamaica.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 08, 2009 2:33
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Marcus Sheffer; Bldg-Sim<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Bldg-sim] Cost
of LEED certification</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d">Thanks for the links Marcus. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="COLOR: #1f497d"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">I
have scanned the Langdon document and even looked at later articles written on
the topic. They agree that the Langdon study is more comprehensive but
still gravitate towards the costing provided by the American Chemistry Council.
My take on the matter is that the real issue here is not whether LEED
certification costs more, but how much does it cost: both in terms of time and
expense.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="COLOR: #1f497d"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">Paul
Hay</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Marcus
Sheffer<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 08, 2009 11:39 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
paul.hay@phcjamaica.com; Bldg-Sim<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Bldg-sim] Cost of LEED
certification</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d">Anyone’s first LEED project requires an investment of
time to learn how to do it. This learning curve is somewhat steep but once
you learn how to do, actually doing it takes considerably less time.
Outside soft costs (commissioning, energy modeling and LEED documentation) if
you are spending a dime more for construction costs than conventional for LEED
Certified or Silver then you have made an optional choice or are not properly
applying the system. Many projects attain the Gold certification level
without an increase in construction costs. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">There
have been several cost studies over the years than do not show that LEED
requires the type of investment purported by the American Chemistry
Council. Here are some links:</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"><A
href="http://www.cap-e.com/publications/default.cfm">http://www.cap-e.com/publications/default.cfm</A></SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"><A
href="http://www.davislangdon.com/USA/Research/ResearchFinder/2007-The-Cost-of-Green-Revisited/">http://www.davislangdon.com/USA/Research/ResearchFinder/2007-The-Cost-of-Green-Revisited/</A></SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">The
Davis Langdon study above is far more thorough and comprehensive than the much
older ACC report which relies on a considerable amount of early anecdotal
evidence.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">In
many respects the cost of LEED comes down to what you assign to LEED as an
“extra” cost. Many teams have figured out how to neutralize even the added
soft costs through an integrative design process. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="COLOR: #1f497d"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d">Marcus Sheffer</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d">7group </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="COLOR: #1f497d"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="COLOR: #1f497d"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>P.
Hay<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 08, 2009 11:36 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
Bldg-Sim<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Bldg-sim] Cost of LEED
certification</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in">I recall someone once asked about
the time needed to be spent on LEED certification. Well, I have just come
across a report prepared by Northbridge Environmental Management Consultants
<http://www.nbenvironmental.com> entitled <U>Analyzing the Cost of
obtaining LEED Certification</U>, which is available online at the following
link: <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><A
href="http://www.cleanair-coolplanet.org/for_communities/LEED_links/AnalyzingtheCostofLEED.pdf">http://www.cleanair-coolplanet.org/for_communities/LEED_links/AnalyzingtheCostofLEED.pdf</A><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in">It indicates that the
documentation takes 226 working hours on average to prepare and costs between
US$8,000 - US$70,000 per project: the first project costing between US$30,000 -
US$60,000.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in">Paul Hay<o:p></o:p></P>
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