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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thank all of you for your
contribution. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>What may also be of interest
here is that I came across the ACC study while reading an article entitled “</span><strong><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-weight:normal'>Collaboration,
Project Management, and Project Information Management Solutions in AEC” :<o:p></o:p></span></strong></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
font-weight:normal'><o:p> </o:p></span></strong></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
font-weight:normal'><a
href="http://www.aecbytes.com/feature/2009/Collaboration_PM_PIM_Solutions.html">http://www.aecbytes.com/feature/2009/Collaboration_PM_PIM_Solutions.html</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></strong></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
font-weight:normal'><o:p> </o:p></span></strong></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
font-weight:normal'>Written in February 2009, the article reviewed a selection
of Project Management tools and mentioned that one customer-requested
enhancement of Newforma Project Center was to improve LEED certification administration;
and I quote:<o:p></o:p></span></strong></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
font-weight:normal'><o:p> </o:p></span></strong></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
font-weight:normal'>“</span></strong><span style='font-size:9.5pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#05396A'>Newforma Project Center Sixth
Edition has several features that can help to reduce these costs and make the
process more efficient, including the ability to clearly assign LEED roles and
responsibilities, capture tasks as action items, easily file incoming email to
the appropriate action item, and conveniently re-assign action items for
follow-up via email notifications. The current status of a LEED-related action
item can be seen at all times, and reports can be quickly generated to keep all
team members informed. Action items can now be associated with milestones in
the project timeline (see Figure 1), allowing more efficient execution of
LEED-related processes.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#05396A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#05396A'>It seems this tool is suggesting that the LEED certification can
be improved by changing the administration of the whole process.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Vikram Sami<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 08, 2009 05:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> sheffer@energyopportunities.com; Harvey Bryan;
paul.hay@phcjamaica.com; Bldg-Sim<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Cost of LEED certification<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#0025C4'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#0025C4'>Going back to the original
question though I think (I might have misread the two) the ACC study addresses
the soft costs, while the Davis Langdon study addresses hard costs associated
with LEED, so you really can’t compare the two studies directly. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#0025C4'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#0025C4'>Harvey makes a really good point
about the building performance. I think a large part of that goes back to usage
and retro commissioning. I’ve seen projects do worse than the LEED ECB
predicted, but I’ve seen it go the other way too (especially if the
owners have energy efficiency in mind). Very often, the users have a big part
to play in which way the energy pendulum swings.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#0025C4'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#0025C4'>I think it’s important to
recognize the role of the energy model as a proactive tool rather than a reactive
(or retroactive) tool. One way LEED could improve that is to come up with best
practices guidelines for SD & DD level energy modeling. That’s where
the big decisions are made. One of the drawbacks of the system right now is
that you do a submittal at the end of construction documents and call it a
design submittal, when in fact the design was mostly frozen at the start of
CDs. At this point, any reviewer comments can’t be implemented into the
design process, so LEED becomes a point grabbing tool rather than the best
practices design guideline tool that it should be (and we all want it to be). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#0025C4'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#0025C4'>So at the risk of incurring the
wrath of my entire profession (who think that there is too much paperwork
anyway), how about incorporating a true design submittal halfway through the
design process?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#0025C4'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marcus
Sheffer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 08, 2009 5:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Harvey Bryan'; paul.hay@phcjamaica.com; Bldg-Sim<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Cost of LEED certification<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>On your last point I agree
whole-heartedly!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Without entering that data
quagmire, I suggest that we all need to do a better job of understanding
building energy use, gathering more data, connecting modeled and actual
performance, developing better tools, producing more informed modelers,
creating performance feedback loops for designers, developing better metrics,
etc. to make sure LEED and other systems produce the right signals and improve
performance.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>If anyone has any thoughts on
how to improve LEED to ensure better performance feel free to pitch in and help
us make it better.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Marcus Sheffer, Vice-Chair EA
TAG, USGBC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>7group<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Harvey Bryan
[mailto:Harvey.Bryan@asu.edu] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 08, 2009 5:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Marcus Sheffer; paul.hay@phcjamaica.com; Bldg-Sim<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Bldg-sim] Cost of LEED certification<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Marcus and all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>While the cost of LEED Certification is important, equally
important are how well are LEED projects performing. The New Buildings
Institute study (March 2008) of 121 LEED NC v2 buildings certified through 2006
claimed “on average LEED energy use 25-30% better than the National
Average.” However a number of critics of this study has emerged, many of
whom used the same data that NBI used. Henry Gifford has question the
methodology used in the NBI study. The American Physical Society in their
Energy Future: Think Efficiency Report as well as Joe Lstiburek has also
questioned the NBI study. Now Dr. John Scofield from Oberlin has completed a
detailed re-examination of the NBI study and has found that “the NBI data
shows that LEED certification has done nothing to lower building primary energy
consumption and associated GHG emission.” I have attached his paper which
will be presented at the International Energy Program Evaluation Conference
scheduled for Portland, OR. August 11-14, 2009. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>I believe that the Bldg-Sim community needs to address this issue.
Otherwise the services that we perform will become seriously questioned by the
building profession. Even if LEED buildings cost more, which I believe most
building professionals and clients would accept. It is unacceptable if they
can’t deliver on energy performance. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Harvey Bryan</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Harvey
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Box 871605</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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AZ. 85287-1605</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marcus
Sheffer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 08, 2009 12:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> paul.hay@phcjamaica.com; Bldg-Sim<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Cost of LEED certification</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Paul
without seeing the articles to which you refer I really can’t comment
about the comparison of the studies. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Regarding
cost and LEED I can offer my own personal experience on more than 100
commercial projects pursuing LEED certification – none has even come
close to approaching the bottom end of the cost range in the ACC study. I
have no doubt that some projects are spending 4.5% to 11% more but frankly they
are using LEED the wrong way (as a checklist of independent variables in a
point hunting exercise) and the market will weed those practitioners out over
time. All things being equal LEED does add cost but it is only the
measuring tool. The real question is does a high performance green
building cost more? If done correctly my experience is that it does not.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>We are
currently working on a school project which is borderline Platinum. It
was bid last summer and came in significantly <u>under</u> budget and attracted
a $500,000 state grant. So the actual cost is less than conventional
overall even without the grant. Project cost drivers are primarily a
function of building type and location. Within those broad categories it
is about design choices, one can choose to focus resources on building
performance or on other priorities. Project teams who choose to focus on
the priorities spelled out in LEED can easily do so within the confines of a
conventional project budget. The rest is just a bit of paperwork.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>The
first time that an architectural firm had to use CAD drawings instead of
hand-drawn; the first time they had to comply with ADA; when major building
code changes occur – all of these things resulted in added costs.
As experience is gained costs come down significantly and the same thing is
happening with LEED (the ACC study indicates that this was likely to happen).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>The
real answer to your question is - “it depends” – on many factors
including team experience, priorities, project size, strategies, design
process, etc. You really can’t assume it costs more but if you do,
it probably will.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Marcus
Sheffer</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>7group</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> P. Hay [mailto:phay@cwjamaica.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 08, 2009 2:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Marcus Sheffer; Bldg-Sim<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Bldg-sim] Cost of LEED certification</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks
for the links Marcus. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>I have
scanned the Langdon document and even looked at later articles written on the
topic. They agree that the Langdon study is more comprehensive but still
gravitate towards the costing provided by the American Chemistry Council. My
take on the matter is that the real issue here is not whether LEED
certification costs more, but how much does it cost: both in terms of time and
expense.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Paul
Hay</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Managing
Partner</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>PAUL
HAY Capital Projects</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><i><span style='color:#1F497D'>Strategic
Facility Planning and Implementation</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>15a
Cassia Park Road</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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10</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Jamaica,
W.I.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>tel: 1
(876) 756-0631</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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(876) 324-4274</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>web:
www.phcjamaica.com</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marcus
Sheffer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 08, 2009 11:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> paul.hay@phcjamaica.com; Bldg-Sim<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Cost of LEED certification</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Anyone’s
first LEED project requires an investment of time to learn how to do it.
This learning curve is somewhat steep but once you learn how to do, actually
doing it takes considerably less time. Outside soft costs (commissioning,
energy modeling and LEED documentation) if you are spending a dime more for
construction costs than conventional for LEED Certified or Silver then you have
made an optional choice or are not properly applying the system. Many
projects attain the Gold certification level without an increase in
construction costs. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>There
have been several cost studies over the years than do not show that LEED
requires the type of investment purported by the American Chemistry
Council. Here are some links:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://www.cap-e.com/publications/default.cfm">http://www.cap-e.com/publications/default.cfm</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://www.davislangdon.com/USA/Research/ResearchFinder/2007-The-Cost-of-Green-Revisited/">http://www.davislangdon.com/USA/Research/ResearchFinder/2007-The-Cost-of-Green-Revisited/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>The
Davis Langdon study above is far more thorough and comprehensive than the much
older ACC report which relies on a considerable amount of early anecdotal
evidence.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>In many
respects the cost of LEED comes down to what you assign to LEED as an
“extra” cost. Many teams have figured out how to neutralize
even the added soft costs through an integrative design process. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Marcus
Sheffer</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>7group </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>P. Hay<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 08, 2009 11:36 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bldg-Sim<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Bldg-sim] Cost of LEED certification</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I recall someone once asked about
the time needed to be spent on LEED certification. Well, I have just come
across a report prepared by Northbridge Environmental Management Consultants
<http://www.nbenvironmental.com> entitled <u>Analyzing the Cost of
obtaining LEED Certification</u>, which is available online at the following
link: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><a
href="http://www.cleanair-coolplanet.org/for_communities/LEED_links/AnalyzingtheCostofLEED.pdf">http://www.cleanair-coolplanet.org/for_communities/LEED_links/AnalyzingtheCostofLEED.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>It indicates that the documentation
takes 226 working hours on average to prepare and costs between US$8,000 -
US$70,000 per project: the first project costing between US$30,000 - US$60,000.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Paul Hay<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Managing Partner<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>PAUL HAY Capital Projects<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><i>Strategic Facility Planning and
Implementation</i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>15a Cassia Park Road<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Kingston 10<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Jamaica, W.I.<o:p></o:p></p>
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